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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by imhoguy »

amelius wrote: post #231
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

I suspect this will lead to a new wave of more advanced moderation techniques.

The torrent of garbage may require AI based moderation solution itself.

Although I hope we may see big come back of Web 1.0 forums such where users have to gain street cred and even invite referals with realy genuine contribution into community, no way to fake with AI today.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by reidjs »

jsemrau wrote: post #146
throwaway4aday wrote: post #90

Too late, ChatGPT isn't going to be the driving force behind inaccurate content on the web, we were there long ago. Google search is almost useless now for anything outside of "places to eat near me" and the blogosphere died long ago and was replaced by ad-rent-seeking recipe sites. All the value has moved on from web pages to small forum enclaves and video. There is a bright future though in direct real time communi…

Lunchclub is just that. It is really nice to talk to real people in an intimate 1:1 rather than the cocktail party of the modern Internet.

Haven't used it, but just looked that up, so take my comment with skepticism. I didn't end up signing up for that service because it seems like it will attract a certain type of person, so it may be yet another echo chamber on the Internet.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by mmkos »

beezlewax wrote: post #113
throwaway4aday wrote: post #90

Too late, ChatGPT isn't going to be the driving force behind inaccurate content on the web, we were there long ago. Google search is almost useless now for anything outside of "places to eat near me" and the blogosphere died long ago and was replaced by ad-rent-seeking recipe sites. All the value has moved on from web pages to small forum enclaves and video. There is a bright future though in direct real time communi…

Google has gotten progressively worse year in year out. Its promoting farmed content of stackoverflow posts riddled with ads over the actual posts. It's making money that way sure but at the dismay if it's users. This I think opens up the space for more niche search engines that actually work for what you're looking for. I'd take a search based off of only indexing sites I actually care about over the dribble it's pe…

100% agree on the point that there's now space for niche search engines. I don't think a search engine for everything is a viable goal (there's too much crap to sift through), but I do think there's space for smaller search engines for particular domains.

Even better, make them somewhat curated by domain experts so that users are served high quality content and not just low quality sites that magically rank high because they managed to tick all boxes in the ranking algorithm.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by reidjs »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #199

Online dating is going to be a nightmare with chatbots flooding the dating sites catfishing everyone. User contrib sites like Reddit will be flooded with bots that keep the conversation going, but drop in sponsored mentions into things for revenue. I think a push for real, verifiable identities and digitally signing content may happen so people can attempt to wade through what is real and what is fake.

Alternatively you can just go to real events now and spend less time on the Internet.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

markstos wrote: post #6

I moderate a forum and a user recently started answer questions with links to his blog, where he made AI-generated pages of generated answers on the topics. The posts don't offer anything novel or personal to conversation, as they only repeat the most common talking points on the topic. Ugh.

It's kinda funny (in a very serious way), but if news papers can stick around long enough they are the solution to this.

Curated content, by trusted publishers guaranteed to not to use ML generation.

Created libraries for facts, curated newspapers for daily events.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by Camisa »

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

Did you just describe reddit?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by qwertyforce »

Snitch-Thursday wrote: post #10

Not to be a grumpy old man, but I will say, my known original definition of Web 3.0 was the Semantic Web [1] but I have no idea if that definition came before the one in TFA about those selling javascript webpage controls marketing their latest spinner product spinning it as web 3.0 > web 2.0. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

web 3.0 - decentralized communities worshiping their own AI gods (content generators)

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by skybrian »

kibwen wrote: post #207
skybrian wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust is not transitive. My friends reshare all sort of crazy memes, and their friends are even worse. Just because you know someone doesn't mean they're good at reading the news or understanding what's going on in the world.

Trust decays exponentially with distance in the social graph, but it does not immediately fall to zero. People who you second-degree trust are more likely to be trustable than a random person, and then via that process of discovery you can choose to trust that person directly.

For the limited purpose of finding interesting people to follow it can be okay, but I don't see it getting automated in a way that would work for web search or finding people with a common interest. For example, Reddit often works better because you're looking for something that can't be found by asking people you know. The people are out there but you're not connected.

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Post by gwbas1c »

nebula8804 wrote: post #89
px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

What happens if the majority of your group is trusting fake news aka people who exclusively listen to sources like NewsMax. Do you just abandon these people as trapped?

Yes.

These people I only interact with in real life, and I don't bring up anything on the news.

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Post by Muehe »

jsemrau wrote: post #141
pjc50 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advogato tried something pretty similar and ultimately died. Arguably Twitter with non-algorithmic timeline and a bit of judicious blocking worked really well for this, but even that's on the way out now. > Any time you publish anything, you're signing that publication with a key that only you hold. People could in theory have done this at any time in the PGP era, but never bothered. I'm…

An actor with a monetary incentive will always aim towards maximizing their financial outcome. Who wouldn't?

Assuming that was a rhetorical question, but since there is a whole "homo economicus" theory of mind out there I'll answer anyway; An actor with other incentives beyond just monetary ones, like physical, social, or philosophical incentives.
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