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Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Teachers regularly have their own collections of books in classrooms, separate from those held by the school library.

Are they completely non-curated? Kids just put whatever book they want there? If so I'd say the teacher isn't liable for what happens. If the teachers put the books or manages which books are there they are curated and that activity can be managed by the people paying the teacher, ie the taxpayers/representatives.

Eh, I disagree. Teachers should be given some leeway in their pedagogy as long as they meet expectations.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Sounds like a scheme to force schools to only buy from specific publishers... dressed up as a social program. This stuff has to stop.

Don't know why you're being downvoted as the role of educational companies seems to be pretty large in the standardization and homogenization of schools and curriculums. Compared to the large publishers most school districts are pretty small fish- they don't have time to ensure compliance with all the regulations and standards, so their only choice is to buy a curriculum from a publisher. And of course buying a curriculum is not a one time expense- it's all licensed/subscription based and basically a direct pipeline from local taxpayers' pockets to large corporate publishers.

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What is dystopian about the alleged "progressive agenda" here?

Mental health metrics have been declining for adolescents, and things like global warming anxiety and gender dysphoria are increasing in a way that some think is socially mediated and counter productive.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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So they already have the worst teacher shortage, and they're determined to make it even worse by making it a crime to encourage children to read. This is completely insane. How can this be even remotely constitutional? Please tell me at least the current Florida legislature is deeply unpopular because of their commitment to censorship and opposition to education.

Encouraging children to read is not a crime and nobody ever claimed that it was, will be, or should be.

Yes, but suggesting they read any book in particular might be a felony (especially if the state is paying you to educate them).

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Here’s the same story and same examples from NBC if it helps. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/-racist-florida-release...

There's nothing called "CRT" being taught to grade school kids. Teaching math using statistical examples from the Implicit Association Test is problematic how?

How is it beneficial when any other graph could be used to teach the math?

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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If anybody thinks this is a good idea, I'm looking forward to reading your opinions.

Let me be clear that I do not agree at all, in any way with this argument, I'm just answering your question as to what the opinion of people who like this think. There are books which contain explicit depictions of sex between teenagers. Why do you want teenagers thinking that having sex before you are 18 is normal? Kids shouldn't be reading stuff about sex (gay, straight, or otherwise) before they are adults. The on…

> Why do you want teenagers thinking that having sex before you are 18 is normal?

It is normal. Actually, it's more normal than having sex for the first time after the age of 18, statistically speaking; while the average age of virginity loss in the US has gradually increased over time, it's still at something like 17.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Can I correctly surmise that you're Canadian? If so, your leader declared a national emergency to squash free speech, banished handguns so you can no longer protect yourself, and cut off political opponents from the financial system. Trying to control the books children can view in an educational environment seems trivial by comparison.

"banished handguns so you can no longer protect yourself..." I think this view has been quite comprehensively debunked by now. I for one do not want to live in a country where most people have access to handguns.

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They've even allowed veterans to teach without credentials for up to 5 years (while working on a degree and teaching certificate): https://www.reuters.com/world/us/amid-us-teacher-shortage-fl...

If you can fix a M2A2 Bradley, you’re qualified to teach calculus? I’m not sure I follow.

A few states have done similar things (IIRC Oklahoma was another, for instance). Insane politics (plus the general, unavoidable unpleasantness of the situation) around Covid, plus a recent return of political demonization of teachers (see: this exact law)—which efforts, incidentally, absolutely do affect the day-to-day work environment for teachers—drove lots of teachers out of the profession, and now there's a second wave thanks to salaries not coming even close to keeping up with inflation, while wages have gone up quite a bit in the rest of the economy. Most of the country's having some amount of trouble finding teachers, and some places are having a lot of trouble, so they've taken some desperate measures to at least find warm bodies to watch the kids. I'd guess the reasoning with singling out military folks is that they've been kinda-sorta vetted (ha, ha) already, and they're likely to be fairly disciplined and able to finish stuff (like getting their teaching cert[s]).

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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A lot of people here saying there's "no support for this". Let's not forget that the governor was re-elected by a landslide in the latest midterms even after the "don't say gay bill" which was the last thing that "nobody supported". Seems like the people in Florida are saying something different.

"voters" and "people" are two different groups, of which there can be notable difference the harder is it to vote.

How to vote: (1) register, (2) vote. What is difficult about this? If you cannot follow through from 1 -> 2, you really should not vote.
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