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Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

Has no one read Fahrenheit 411? Jeez

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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I 100% guarantee you that this has nothing to do with smart kids like you being unable to read big brain books but rather intentionally vague and loose language being used to curtail what the school administration and parents consider morally objectionable material.

Unfortunately the linked article includes a screenshot of a parent stating that teachers have barred students from bringing their own books/eReaders out of fear for liability. That's the problem with policy that makes failure at a job function a crime. People will be overly cautious because they don't want to be charged with a felony.

That's not "unfortunate", that's part of the intended purpose. After all, if you let children share books they might let each other know that gay and transgender people exist.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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In Florida, school librarians are called "media specialists" and hold media specialist certificates. A rule passed by the Florida Department of Education last week states that a "library media center" includes any books made available to students, including in classrooms. This means that classroom libraries that are curated by teachers, not librarians, are now illegal. Prepare for “route around the damage” moment whe…

A quick search suggests that other third-degree felonies in Florida are things like: felony battery, aggravated assault, carrying a concealed firearm without a license and resisting a law enforcement officer with violence. All rather mind-blowing to be honest.

I'm honestly surprised Florida isn't constitutional carry yet.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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To fill in some context... This isn't about Governor approval. This was approved by the legislature and signed into law by the governor. Not a mandate by them. The context of all of this is teachers putting books in front of kids that their parents don't approve of. I'm not in Florida but I'll give you a local example to me that's come under debate. A book with sexually explicit material was recently pulled from an e…

If there was really widespread agreement that the book did not belong in the library, then it wouldn't have been there in the first place. What these laws do is enable tiny vocal minorities to wield censorship powers.

> widespread agreement

There isn't widespread agreement. That's how we got here. Parents are disagreeing with teachers as to what material they want in front of their kids.

The book I referred to earlier described using sex toys and had an add to get them. This is in a library for kids aged 5-10ish. People were arguing in support of the book being in that library.

Who gets to choose what's appropriate?

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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What about kindle books

The article states that kids can no longer bring their own books or e-readers.

And you do what if a kid does it? Send the kid to jail? Good luck with that. Send the teacher to jail? Good luck with that too. Confiscate kid's e-reader? Olalala, that's heaven for the kid's family lawyer, gonna milk from the state 1M USD in a blink.

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Let me be clear that I do not agree at all, in any way with this argument, I'm just answering your question as to what the opinion of people who like this think. There are books which contain explicit depictions of sex between teenagers. Why do you want teenagers thinking that having sex before you are 18 is normal? Kids shouldn't be reading stuff about sex (gay, straight, or otherwise) before they are adults. The on…

Because having sex before you are 18 is quite normal? It is odd to pretend otherwise, but 16 for example is quite an usual age, at least here in Europe. I doubt it is actually different in the US.

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It also drives families with kids out of Florida to more sane educational operating environments. Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/22/our-child...

So they already have the worst teacher shortage, and they're determined to make it even worse by making it a crime to encourage children to read. This is completely insane. How can this be even remotely constitutional? Please tell me at least the current Florida legislature is deeply unpopular because of their commitment to censorship and opposition to education.

Encouraging children to read is not a crime and nobody ever claimed that it was, will be, or should be.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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A lot of people here saying there's "no support for this". Let's not forget that the governor was re-elected by a landslide in the latest midterms even after the "don't say gay bill" which was the last thing that "nobody supported". Seems like the people in Florida are saying something different.

"voters" and "people" are two different groups, of which there can be notable difference the harder is it to vote.
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