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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Melatonic »

michaelteter wrote: post #96
magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

While searching for causes, did you also look at ways to strengthen/rebalance/improve your GI system? I'm not sure if this will turn out to be quackery or snake oil, but the Super Gut book by William Davis makes some believable claims as to common causes of digest issues (along with solutions).

Get some Natto at any local asian market. Bonus if you make it yourself which is pretty easy. There are now also bacillus subtilis supplements out there but the full food is much better.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by kleton »

Solid dishwasher powder doesn't seem to usually contain detergents. For one brand:

Sodium Sulfate Sodium Carbonate Water Copolymer Of Acrylic Maleic And Sulphonic Acids Sodium Silicate Sodium Carbonate Peroxide PEG/PPG/Propylheptyl Ether Fragrances Subtilisin Amylase Enzyme Transitional Metal Catalyst Reactive Green 12 Copolymer Of Acrylic Maleic And Sulphonic Acids

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by bootlooped »

runnerup wrote: post #190
magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

I use a similar setup just for near my cat litter box. Almost totally eliminates pet smell. I have an AC Infinity fan I really like, it's very quiet on the lowest 3 of 8 speeds. The filter is just some generic brand. I never want to own pets without this level of air filtration again.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Melatonic »

clnq wrote: post #217
jayd16 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some plastics are not food safe when heated and leach chemicals. Probably related to the concern the GP has.

This is a fascinating topic because there is no practical way of knowing what food-related items (containers, utensils, washing up liquids) are safe to heat and what aren't. Indeed no one can track the makeup of everything in their kitchen that comes in contact with food. Then there's the topic of items that are safe to use only in ideal conditions. Like Teflon in cookware that is said to be very safe unless it overh…

Or just use your microwave to reheat normal food you have cooked yourself in glass containers. Not a lot to go wrong there.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Melatonic »

hammock wrote: post #52
wobbly_bush wrote: post #4

Is my reading of the summary correct that it is only (or mainly?) talking about rinse aid and not about the detergent?

Rinse aid and detergent both have the same active, harmful ingredient: sulfates aka AES aka surfactants. The difference is that detergent gets rinsed off, while rinse aid IS the rinse (vs plain non-aided water).

Interestingly enough there was ANOTHER study where they looked at safety of plastic bottles. And then they discovered that plastic bottles absorbed WAY more detergent in the dishwasher than glass or metal and whatnot. This was not even the original intention of their study.

So basically do not dishwash plastic stuff.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by hackernewds »

runnerup wrote: post #190
magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

> marijuana-growing carbon scrubbers to clean my home air

Would you mind expanding on that?

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Melatonic »

esaym wrote: post #145
insane_dreamer wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need any rinse aid, period.

Did you not read what I wrote? Not sure what point you are making... I don't need to brush my hair, wear clothes, or wash my car either... But those are usually considered "proper" things to do. My first load without rinse aid resulted in spotty dishes. Not too bad, but annoying. By the third, it was worse. By the end of the week, all of the glassware was milky white and you could no longer see through it. You know t…

Deep clean your dishwasher along with all filters and whatnot

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by hackernewds »

runnerup wrote: post #248
bharrisonit wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please indicate the correct kind of cat to complete the BOM for this system.

My BOM: - $199: TerraBloom 6" Silenced EC Inline Duct Fan, ECMF-150-S, 288 CFM, 36W - $114: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 24" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK, - $80: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 16" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK - $3,000 (2022 prices): Siberian cat. Bought before recent price rises where the prices have apparently more than doubled, somewhat killing my dream of getting another Siberian kitten. Closely related to Maine Coon…

This made my week

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by hackernewds »

rubicon33 wrote: post #250
m463 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

I used to get canker sores every once in a while. I cut out SLS by purchasing Toms toothpaste, and that helped a lot. I would still get them though, maybe twice a year. The thing that finally fixed it was almonds. I stopped eating almonds and I’ve never had a canker sore since.

Same effect for me. SLS toothpaste gives me canker sores. Or at least prevents their healing
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