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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Probably not, since it encourages companies to actually invest in people that they can't just fire at will. Society comes out on top, and business is kept accountable for how they treat human beings. The free market with at will employment is a race to the bottom. France's model is more of a steady march to the top.

> France's model is more of a steady march to the top Eagerly awaiting for France to have their own equivalents (in terms of success and worldwide influence) of Google/Apple/Microsoft/Amazon/SpaceX/Tesla/etc. As well as for their devs to be paid even remotely close to what they can get paid in the US. From what I am seeing, even "the year of Linux on desktop" is more likely to happen than that. Which doesn't inspire…

> As well as for their devs to be paid even remotely close to what they can get paid in the US.

Perhaps the French would see that as a failure, not a success.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

Not questioning you fully here, but ... what reference is there for Elon doing this offer while 'in a drug-induced haze'?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of. What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

He doesn't have to know them, he probably has enough management and lawyers on retainer to warn him about stuff like that. It's highly unlikely they haven't warned him about this.

> he probably has enough management and lawyers on retainer

Why do you think that? He hasn't replaced Tesla's General Counsel since they left in early 2019. But he's a lot more diligent with his personal life?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Pray tell, do you consider any other religions dangerous?

You’ll notice I’ll called out the line of thinking, but yes, I could critique many other religions lines of thinking. Do you believe that any belief is rendered safe solely by being under the umbrella of a religion?

I think it depends which religion

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> When you buy a company Elon didn't even read the contract that bought the company. He spent the last 6 months in court trying to get out of the contract, not realizing it was ironclad.

He was trying to get out of it because it was a stupid deal at that price, not because he couldn't understand a contract. He was trying to limit the dumb consequences of his dumb impulse. Failing at that, he might as well lean into it. He's got enough money to make billions of stupid mistakes, and this stupid mistake gave him ownership of his favorite thing. A favorite thing that incidentally gives him leverage again…

> not because he couldn't understand a contract

The court case went on as long as it did (at great cost in lawyer time) because Elon thought he had a case.

If Elon understood the contract, he wouldn't have wasted so much money on the courts and lawyers.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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He doesn't have to know them, he probably has enough management and lawyers on retainer to warn him about stuff like that. It's highly unlikely they haven't warned him about this.

And you think he listens to them?

Ehh, I assume he does when it comes to money. I might have a very low opinion of him but I'm holding out a tiny shred of good faith in him not being an actual lunatic. However unlikely that seems as time goes on.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Musk is worth $220 billion. At $1.85 million/day, he'd go broke in only 325 years. I don't think it's a major worry for him.

1 month is $55M in fines at that rate. 300k verified users paying $8/month is $2.4M. If he's making a big deal about bringing in single digit millions per month to "pay the bills", you'd think he'd care about double-digit million fines, but who knows. He has more FU money than anyone else alive.

> 300k verified users paying $8/month is $2.4M.

That is far from the only source of Twitter revenue.

Also, I'm about 99.999% sure that the $8/month thing is more about trolling the crap out of sanctimonious blue checks rather than actual revenue. They're basically Star-Bellied Sneetches who are going ballistic because the proles might also get "stars upon thars".

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Musk is worth $220 billion. At $1.85 million/day, he'd go broke in only 325 years. I don't think it's a major worry for him.

I have seen a lot of sentiment wonder "why some people do not like Elmo Musk". This fact is probably something close to why I personally don't like the guy: he comes across as a personified avatar of the fact that laws don't really apply to folks with those kinds of resources, and that us peons have literally no recourse when faced with a rich person who wants to do whatever they feel like doing.

I'm not sure I'd rank "giving employees 60 days pay for sitting at home doing absolutely nothing" up there with "working in a Victorian coal mine", in terms of abusive employee relations.

What, in your opinion, would be fair, other than "paying them forever for doing absolutely nothing"?

The law apparently says he has to pay them for 60 days. He's doing that.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> Additional plaintiffs, Justine De Caires, Jessica Pan, and Grae Kindel said they were terminated on November 3 by being locked out of their accounts. > Under Twitter’s takeover deal terms, Musk had agreed to keep employee compensation and benefits the same. That means the laid-off employees should receive 60 days of salary and the cash value of the stock they were to receive within three months of their last date a…

This is what always happens, and what will almost certainly happen here. They'll just give a few months severance. This is so much noise over nothing.

Musk had previously tried to avoid paying severance at Tesla, so it was absolutely not guaranteed to happen here.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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the leaked email to a Twitter employee (if true) says that they are not actually being terminated, but rather suspended with pay. So it seems that Musk is in fact staying within legal bounds (which means the lawsuit won't go anywhere). > Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will remain employed by Twitter and will receive compensation and benefits through your separation date of February 2, 202…

I mean realistically this just makes it worse for them should they try to seek external employment.
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