Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by bestnameever » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 5:47 AM UTC

skohan wrote: post #223

cromka wrote: post #193

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It’s pretty common for European carriers to offer pay as you go plans via eSIM and an app. Pay with your card and can add it to your phone ahead of your trip. So no, not “literally no one”. Things are changing, eSIM is increasingly common. Apple’s being Apple and just propels that change.

That’s nice but it’s still going to be 10 years or more until it’s as convenient as SIM cards everywhere. When I crossed the border from Rwanda to Uganda, I bought a sim at a local shop, and a boy from the village cut it down to size by hand with a pair of scissors. They are not going to have ESIM anywhere soon. ESIM requires carriers around the world to have the technical competency to make the activation and manage…

Looks like you can download an eSim by just scanning a QR-Code.

Found this for Uganda.

https://esim.holafly.com/esim-uganda/

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by Ancapistani » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:10 AM UTC

atonse wrote: post #234

Ancapistani wrote: post #143

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Nope - that's the reason I bought when I did. I was aware that it was very likely that the 14 would be announced this week, I was only expressing my amusement. I upgraded through AT&T, who gave me a $700 trade-in on my iPhone X. I also snagged an additional discount on my new iPhone 13 Pro Max because I was OK with an unpopular color ("bamboo"), so my total cost ended up being around $200.

$700 for an iPhone X? How's that possible? Apple's offering $150 for an iPhone X, and $430 for an iPhone 12 Pro.

Presumably AT&T was attempting to sell their stock before the new model released. It was only applicable if buying a 13.

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by cbovis » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:17 AM UTC

nunez wrote: post #241

belligeront wrote: post #40

People who travel frequently, does the lack of physical SIM card concern you? I'm not sure how widespread eSIMs across countries.

eSIM isn't nearly as easy to get outside of the US as it is from the inside. I can't imagine getting an eSIM if/when I go to India again in the future. Getting a physical SIM was REALLY REALLY difficult. that said, all of the US carriers have extensive international roaming agreements and international data/voice is much cheaper these days.

Take a look at Airalo if you haven't already. They have an India option which doesn't require KYC. $13 for a 30 day 3GB eSIM.

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by capableweb » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:26 AM UTC

readevalpanic wrote: post #239

Even though the market disagrees, I'm saddened that the mini isn't going to be an option in the future. The form factor was great, even though some didn't feel the compromise on battery life was worth it. Ah well.

Yeah, seems it's back to Android phones for me. My iPhone Mini was my first and seemingly only iPhone. Don't understand why everyone needs so large phones...

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by skohan » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:27 AM UTC

bestnameever wrote: post #251

skohan wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s nice but it’s still going to be 10 years or more until it’s as convenient as SIM cards everywhere. When I crossed the border from Rwanda to Uganda, I bought a sim at a local shop, and a boy from the village cut it down to size by hand with a pair of scissors. They are not going to have ESIM anywhere soon. ESIM requires carriers around the world to have the technical competency to make the activation and manage…

Looks like you can download an eSim by just scanning a QR-Code. Found this for Uganda. https://esim.holafly.com/esim-uganda/

That's $44 for 15 days and 6 GB! If I recall correctly, I was paying like a dollar a gigabyte or something on a local sim. You would go to any market and there would be these guys walking around with rolls of activation codes which you could buy for like $0.10 each and they were good for 100MB or a certain number of minutes when you typed it in the phone.

This is exactly what I'm talking about: if you have this phone you will be paying exorbitant prices for connectivity all over the world.

edit: it looks like the average in Uganda is $1.56/GB and you can get data as low as $0.45/GB USD

https://techjaja.com/the-cost-of-1gb-of-data-in-uganda-vs-th...

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by skohan » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:31 AM UTC

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #230

skohan wrote: post #227

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I have traveled quite extensively in the developing and developed world and in my experience it’s a rare exception not to be able to get a local sim easily. In most cases you can have one before leaving the airport.

Even in the examples I gave (Ecuador and Peru) it is possible to get a SIM at the airport. But you will pay handily for that privilege due to basically skirting government regulations (the most common scenario is that you are given an under the table SIM that is legally registered to some citizen of the country). In a lot of these cases Google Fi or whatever roaming solution you are using is cheaper, and that doesn’t…

But you still have the option of using an eSIM/Google Fi in countries where local sims are problematic when you also have a sim tray.

If you lose the sim tray, you are at a disadvantage in places where local sims are the best option, which are many.

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by mrtksn » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:41 AM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #237

mrtksn wrote: post #203

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So? How is that relevant? Did Apple promised that it supports it but it turned out it does not?

"Just works, as expected", except when it won't play audio from another Apple product.

I don't know why you are so bitter. Did you bought it, failed to play and Apple refused a refund? Where the anger comes from?

PS: It actually does play whatever sound you play but it wouldn't transfer it as a lossless since bluetooth can't handle those bandwidths.

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by _rutinerad » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 6:42 AM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #238

mrtksn wrote: post #93

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It's funny, when I try to search for Pixel 5 crash detection Google tries to autocomplete it to Pixel 5 crash loop. The thing about Apple is, and has been since its inception, that makes devices that actually work in a way people can benefit from it instead of ticking items on checklists. Mind you, Apple makes bluetooth earphones that reached business since larger than some of the most sexy and famous businesses out…

"when I try to search for Pixel 5 crash detection Google tries to autocomplete it to Pixel 5 crash loop" Not so - just checked and it auto-corrects that to Pixel 5 Car Crash detection. Even the strawman argument is proven false.

Y’all know that the autocompletes are different for different users, right?

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by TMWNN » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 7:06 AM UTC

atonse wrote: post #234

Ancapistani wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope - that's the reason I bought when I did. I was aware that it was very likely that the 14 would be announced this week, I was only expressing my amusement. I upgraded through AT&T, who gave me a $700 trade-in on my iPhone X. I also snagged an additional discount on my new iPhone 13 Pro Max because I was OK with an unpopular color ("bamboo"), so my total cost ended up being around $200.

$700 for an iPhone X? How's that possible? Apple's offering $150 for an iPhone X, and $430 for an iPhone 12 Pro.

T-Mobile in January offered $600 off when trading in iPhone 8, and $800 off for newer models. I received iPhone 13 in the mail, sent back 8, paid $80-90 up front for taxes and fees, and am paying $6.67 a month for 30 months after which I will own 13 free and clear.

Re: Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus

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Post by cromka » Thu, Sep 08, 2022, 7:14 AM UTC

skohan wrote: post #255

bestnameever wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you can download an eSim by just scanning a QR-Code. Found this for Uganda. https://esim.holafly.com/esim-uganda/

That's $44 for 15 days and 6 GB! If I recall correctly, I was paying like a dollar a gigabyte or something on a local sim. You would go to any market and there would be these guys walking around with rolls of activation codes which you could buy for like $0.10 each and they were good for 100MB or a certain number of minutes when you typed it in the phone. This is exactly what I'm talking about: if you have this phone…

> https://twitter.com/airtel_ug/status/1499288905446739973?lan...

Airtel, for example, said it was work in progress, as of March this year.

Seriously, when it comes to application of new technology, the world isn't as behind the US as US might think. Often times, they actually get years ahead. I think you overestimate how long it's gonna take Africa or Asia to get eSIM up and running. They have a clear incentive now, as it's only a matter of time before Android manufacturers start to copy Apple in that regard, too.