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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#251

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Probably not, Qatar is mostly sunni islam.

http://nirmukta.com/2011/10/13/misyar-temporary-marriage-in-... A quick Google tells me they probably practice temporary marriage as well but call it something else (and details differ). Anyone actually knowledgeable, please chime in.

The article you link pretty clearly identifies this form of "temporary marriage" as being the equivalent of a long-term mistress relationship rather than an encounter with a prostitute.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#252
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https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

Same idea as for the environment.

For many institutions, the idea of being green is to dump their crap in other countries. So much that in many cases, it is better for the environment to put plastics in the regular trash to end up in a proper landfill rather than in the oceans by unscrupulous "recyclers" in countries where regulations are conveniently not enforced.

China used to be one of these dumpster countries, but now, they start caring a bit about the environment, which is a good thing, but there are still plenty of poor countries accepting our trash only to dump it in the oceans or in nature.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#253
post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

What I love is that institutions like universities will happily link arms with Qatar for the $$$, despite the neo-slavery: https://www.qatar.northwestern.edu . Really puts their woke messaging at home in context.

An institution has more than one person with more than one personality in it? Weird!

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#254
post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

> a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer So, like an H1B?

H1B sponsors don’t hold your passport.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#255

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You mean freedoms?

No, I mean culture. You are also free to pursue an academic career, not take drugs, and speak elegantly. But that lifestyle is far less glorified in Western media than drug use, gangsta life, and profanity. Here's a thought: his many Western popular media heros use violence to achieve their goals? How many use rhetoric, critical thinking, and respectful verbal persuasion?

How many Qatari pop media heroes "use rhetoric, critical thinking, and respectful verbal persuasion?"

I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the country with the death penalty for adultery is a less violent culture than the one that made Harry Potter and Doctor Who (both nonviolent).

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#256
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Why is the main source for this article a UK police officer's comments in a tabloid?

The Qatari government is interested in playing both sides. They want to enforce their law while appearing modern to the international community. Therefore you won't hear about this in Qatari news media, although it seems they'll be quick to punish any saucy post-match celebrations.

>although it seems they'll be quick to punish any saucy post-match celebrations.

Is there any source for this beyond a UK police officer talking to a tabloid? As yes it violates their laws, but they've held all sorts of events and I've never heard of a massive crackdown on tourist adultery.

Qatar's laws are dumb and/or inhumane, and are a reason the World Cup should not be hosted there. Still, they're willing to sell alcohol to tourists so I doubt they'll strictly enforce this law either.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#257

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FIFA is actually registered as a non-profit organisation. ...despite making profits of around $250M/year with cash reserves of over $2.5B.

See also: Wikipedia Foundation.

Registered as a charitable foundation (distinct from non-profits) with profits of $40M, and an endowment (distinct from cash reserves) of $100M.

In disputes, WMF has argued that it should not necessarily be liable for content written by 3rd-party contributors, which doesn't appear to be an entirely unreasonable position. It has lobbied for consumer rights in Copyright legislation hearings, and it has lobbied against governmental mass surveillance in which it was joined by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

It has also been criticised for some software projects being late, over budget, and not living up to expectations (so, par for the course for a typical software project?), or being developed with insufficient transparency. Which, OK, isn't great.

But you're comparing that to FIFA, whose officials have been repeatedly charged (with some guilty pleas, some convictions, and other cases ongoing) of multiple counts of political corruption, bribery, match fixing, racketeering and money laundering. Also, they lobby for exemptions to workers rights protections, and for special case tax exemptions beyond those normally afforded by it's non-profit status.

If you were trying to make the point that FIFA "isn't that bad, actually", I don't think comparing them to WMF does them any favors. (Or, it does make WMF look pretty good, in comparison.) Maybe try comparing FIFA to the IOC or the NRA if you want to make them look better next time.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#258

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Every critic of the USA is whataboutism. USA just has to start a critique first, and then yell "whataboutism" when confronted with double standards. Problem solved.

But this article has nothing to do with the USA. We’re here discussing Qatar, and invoking America adds nothing to the conversation. This is the problem with whataboutism: it is the attempt to shut down the discussion of a grievance, by pointing out a grievance done elsewhere.

Reading the parent's comment with the most charitable assumption, the parent wishes to discuss the issues of both countries.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#259

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So countries that trample human and women rights (and everything that comes from it like child marriage, slavery etc) are just a matter of culture? No problems in the world then, just different culture?

Technically yes - what makes your opinion on how life should be more correct than their opinion?

As an abstract argument, this is an intellectual dead end, if "having a moral opinion" is to be a thing.

As a concrete argument specifically dealing with Qatar, there is a very long list of pragmatic reasons why the death penalty for adultery is Bad, assuming reasonable terminal values like "happiness is good".

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

#260
post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

Is 4000 people dying per decade a lot?

Qatar has over 2m migrant workers.

In 12 years, 6500 have died. 550/2m/yr .27/1000/yr

In USA the rate for age 20-30 is about 1/1000/yr.

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