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Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Lascaille »

branon wrote: post #16
Lascaille wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

Thanks for replying. My comment is getting downvoted (rightly so as it's off-topic politicking) but I wanted to have the conversation anyway since somebody else brought up jwz. That is the exact link I was thinking of. Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate.

>Viewpoints like these really do seem to be proliferating at a concerning rate.

The progressive left championing the benefits of radical and toxic authoritarianism while screaming frantically that everyone to the right of them is a fascist and that fascism is coming up fast.

The irony.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by mekster »

thristian wrote: post #61
hunterb123 wrote: post #45

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Interesting. How did they identify youtube-dl to throttle it, and what was the workaround?

YouTube throttles the download speed of videos to the real-time playback speed. It also provides (if I recall correctly) a random token and a JS blob; if the client executes the JS and passes in the token, it gets another random token as output that if passed along with a request will unthrottle the downloads speed. As a result, full-speed downloads are only available to clients that can safely execute untrusted JS,…

With the current toolsets like Puppeteer or Playwright, doesn't seem like a tough matter to solve?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by paulcole »

feanaro wrote: post #247
paulcole wrote: post #232

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> it fails to explain why youtube-dl is the garbage bag in this instance No it doesn't. The buffet lets me eat as much as I want while I'm in their restaurant following their house rules. The garbage bag lets me take food out of the restaurant and consume a much larger amount of food however/whenever/wherever I choose – something the restaurant has forbid me to do according to their rules. This feels very much like w…

> something the restaurant has forbid me to do according to their rules. Except they're not their rules. My computer, my rules. I really wish you'd chosen to respond to my technical question instead, though.

> are you actually arguing that we shouldn't have the ability to modify the markup and the code before we display it on our computers?

I’m not arguing you shouldn’t have that ability.

Morally, I feel I’m bound to play by the rules of the service if I want to use that service. If they’re showing ads I find distasteful, then I don’t use that service. I don’t find some technical workaround that allows me to do something that I believe is fundamentally immoral.

The same as I wouldn’t take a garbage bag to a buffet, I won’t block ads on YouTube (or anywhere for that matter). In fact, I love that YouTube lets me pay $10 a month to not view ads. Are they still tracking me? Probably. Do I care? Not at all.

If you have different morals, awesome!

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Qub3d »

ziml77 wrote: post #186
syshum wrote: post #156

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if that becomes the only avenue to rip a movie wide spread distribution of said movie with out permission will die The idea that you would have lots of people getting up camera's and monitors to record a movie for distribution on the internet is laughable, and it would be a cam quality today so you would just end up with the early releases capture via someone setting in a theater which are generally poor quality

Then people will make a complex device that hooks in where the LED/LCD grid does and converts the signals intended to drive the panel into a video feed for recording. And making a device that directly takes the output of a Bluetooth device's DAC (or even grabbing the digital output directly) should be even trivial.

Absolutely!

It wouldn't be easy, and would need some adjustments for colorspace etc but this is a method I have seen discussed online before.

The speaker part is much easier. At some point in almost all modern audio systems, there will be a PCM signal as part of the DAC step. Hook in here, pipe that signal to a computer's audio in / microphone port, and you've got a pretty clean audio stream.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hbbio »

SixDouble5321 wrote: post #250
hbbio wrote: post #56

The best way to ensure there is no "copyright infringement" would be to shut off Youtube altogether and make sure nobody can see a "music video" without paying a subscription. Other than that, they should assume their content is accessible from any device which was exactly their original intention. The duplicitous attitude of music executives is that they even pay radios to play some songs in loops to turn public att…

Are you sure? Payola[1] is illegal last I knew. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola

Not my industry so I don't know but it has been illegal for a long time in the US... and they were still doing it in 2007:

https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2007-04-13-214...

Also probably going on elsewhere where it is still legal. Looks like shilling NFTs has a precedent after all!

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by brigandish »

stuu99 wrote: post #75
brigandish wrote: post #72

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> The only way would be to either 1) revolt against capitalism or 2) try to reform copyright law. Since (2) precludes the need for (1) and, hence, shows (1) is irrelevant to the discussion, and to do (1) would be an immense act of self harm akin to sticking one's fingers in one's eyes, repeatedly, for all time, I'll take (2), thanks.

You can go ahead but the history of the last 200 years suggest reformism doesn't work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/... Corporations got their way every time over the last 200 years. There has never been a time where copyright was pared back in the public interest.

Until the alternative given is not dump capitalism then reformism is the only option I'll be backing, as the least worst of a sorry bunch.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by Lascaille »

snek_case wrote: post #22
Lascaille wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I read his blog sometimes and all too often come away feeling disgusted. The comments sections are all echo chambers and his dialog on certain sociopolitical issues (recently, vaccine passports) is nothing short of fascist. I used to read it frequently and enjoyed it, especially around the time he was setting up DNA lounge. Then after a while I started to notice this odd regression, as in, day by day it seemed to ge…

> Something really weird is happening to a lot of people and I just don't get it. It isn't happening to me, so why is it happening to them? Could it be that the social isolation from covid is aggravating underlying mental health issues? Completely speculation follows, but if this guy was a club owner, then he may have gone from a very active social life where people basically worship him to having financial troubles…

To expand a bit on what I said, I think if you have a circle of friends that you mostly communicate with online, and they're the ones that send you links and things, that group will be led by whomever has the strongest opinions. That person is likely to be the most extreme member of the group simply because extremists (relatively speaking) are more likely to hold and espouse views. A whole bunch of people don't really have strong views, they just bob along with the tide. So basically you end up being dragged by a lunatic in the direction of more lunatics. Then you end up screaming incoherently at someone who doesn't wear a mask and calling them a murderer and wondering why people think you're a weirdo.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by hirako2000 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #202
hirako2000 wrote: post #181

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that's a matter of opinion. i find YouTube filled with plenty of videos I would deem immoral, harmful, abhorrent. they remain there. and that's fine, nobody forces me to watch them.

Child pornography is a "matter of opinion"? That's what I was getting at - probably the one thing we make no carve outs for as a society.

I have difficulties to understand opinions that tolerates child pornography. and while it is without doubt a problem, I think it would be pointing at a tree to hide the forest to discuss illegal pornographic content. what's more at stake is divergent thoughts that are curtailed by opinionated (if not politicised) authorities. Law enforcements would remain active in prosecuting illegal content publishers. this thread more specifically touches on freedom for consumers to pull DRM content somewhat gated behind official clients, and the war between copyright holders and the conscious consumers. an alternative to YouTube where publishers and viewers can more freely operate is undoubtedly a step forward, and the collateral potential consequences don't outweigh the benefits.

if what you beleive in is prison to keep everyone safe, it may be exactly what's coming very fast at us if you haven't noticed.

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by madeofpalk »

hirako2000 wrote: post #258
madeofpalk wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child pornography is a "matter of opinion"? That's what I was getting at - probably the one thing we make no carve outs for as a society.

I have difficulties to understand opinions that tolerates child pornography. and while it is without doubt a problem, I think it would be pointing at a tree to hide the forest to discuss illegal pornographic content. what's more at stake is divergent thoughts that are curtailed by opinionated (if not politicised) authorities. Law enforcements would remain active in prosecuting illegal content publishers. this thread…

Should child pornography be removed from such a service? Regardless of law enforcement actions. After the criminals are in jail (or not), is the content just still readily available?

How is it decided who removes it - who moderates the service?

Technically, how is it removed?

Re: The campaign to shut down YouTube-dl continues

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Post by account42 »

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #160
dento wrote: post #91

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Why not skip the display completely and just go with a capture card? They are cheap and have none of the issues with lights and timings.

In theory, HDCP is supposed to prevent such use, by cryptographically verifying that the video isn't going to a device able to copy the media. Keys can be revoked by, say inserting a disc with a new set of revocations on it (alongside the media). If you want to play such media, you have to license keys from Intel and show that your design is hostile to copying.

In theory, yes.
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