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High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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As a small farmer, I can tell you: independent small-scale farming is not profitable in any meaningful manner. Government is actively killing it, by giving away every possible concession to Big Ag. The food in stores is pretty much all garbage compared to food raised on small farms. It sickens me to see things go this way, but this is the reality that we have created.

Are farms which sell directly to end consumers profitable at all? Like as a lifestyle business? Last year I purchased a 1/4 beef directly from a local farm and, as a life long city dwelling techbro, found the whole experience awesome. As dumb as it is, I really liked feeling 'closer' to where my food came from. I know the farm, the people who run it, the age and hanging weight of the beef, where it was processed, and…

> Are farms which sell directly to end consumers profitable at all? Like as a lifestyle business?

It varies, but the range is generally between “no, someone’s working a job outside the farm to make ends meet” and “margins slim enough that one small disaster means no longer being able to cover expenses.”

Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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Break up all large corporations. Sure, start with Big Ag, but we need to dismantle Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Oil, etc. etc. End the anti-trust run by dismantling Big Government.

Do you break up large foreign corporations? Samsung? Sony? NEC? Philips? BASF? Volkswagen? Oppo? How do you do that? Or do you let small US companies duke it out with foreign giants, without the benefit of scaled efficiency?

Tariffs, obviously.

Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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I have gripes with capitalism, but this isn't one. Capitalism essentially allocates resources to where they are most efficient (although IMHO not as purely as most Austrian economists would argue, because people aren't all that rational and information asymmetry makes rationality impossible in many other cases). Sometimes (ok often) that goes to huge megacorps due to economies of scale, but in return you take on mass…

> Monopoly is a vastly over simplified model that doesn't consider much of modern economics. Interestingly, it was actually invented to demonstrate to people how evil capitalism is[2]. Close. Monopoly was created by Lizzie Magie, a Georgist, and its purpose was to demonstrate how evil land ownership by monopolies/rent seekers is and to advocate for a Land Value Tax [1]. Many of the forces you describe that apply to o…

Yes thank you. The point about not being able to create new land is a very good one.

Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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I think you are all missing something, at least if discussing the US market. Growth hormomes. As an example, I've seen some US chickens as large as Canadian turkeys... So free range, may not be getting growth hormones in the feed...

This is not true. Growth hormones are not approved for us in chickens by the FDA. All chicken sold in the US is hormone free. See, eg, https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/Are-hormones-used-for-livesto... : “No steroid hormones are approved for use in poultry” It’s certainly true that today’s meat birds are MUCH bigger than heritage breeds, but that’s a result of selective breeding, not hormones.

Hmm. I appear to stand corrected.

The size difference is stark, so I still wonder re: selective breeding.

Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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This is not true. Growth hormones are not approved for us in chickens by the FDA. All chicken sold in the US is hormone free. See, eg, https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/Are-hormones-used-for-livesto... : “No steroid hormones are approved for use in poultry” It’s certainly true that today’s meat birds are MUCH bigger than heritage breeds, but that’s a result of selective breeding, not hormones.

Hmm. I appear to stand corrected. The size difference is stark, so I still wonder re: selective breeding.

Different breeds. Chickens we eat commercially are bred to to be that way. They can’t even walk without being in pain.

“ Most broilers find walking painful, as indicated by studies using analgesic and anti-inflammatory drugs. In one experiment, healthy birds took 11 seconds to negotiate an obstacle course, whereas lame birds took 34 seconds. After the birds had been treated with carprofen, there was no effect on the speed of the healthy birds, however, the lame birds now took only 18 seconds to negotiate the course, indicating that the pain of lameness is relieved by the drug.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broiler

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> I like good eggs, but I’m not paying $1/egg It looks like Whole Foods charges about half that for fancy organic eggs. However, if you sold them at the Ferry Building in San Francisco and had a good story about why your eggs were special, I think you could get $12 a dozen. How many of us are going to balk at $1/egg after we just paid $5 for an espresso and are ogling the $50 bottles of olive oil? Especially if we've…

The point here is that if Starbucks was buying as expensive coffee as are those organic $1 eggs, it would be $10-15 espresso. I’m happy to pay $1 for egg, if it comes with the rest of the breakfast in form of a sit down restaurant service. But paying $12 just for a carton of dozen eggs? No way.

I’m not sure that’s true. One of the cafes near me uses Strauss Milk (pastured cows, methane digesters, the works) and of course fair trade coffee. It adds maybe $1.50 to the price of a latte, for about $5.50. Commercial buyers can buy in bulk, so I imagine it’s a bit cheaper than buying retail from the kind of upscale groceries that sell sustainable foods.

Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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I buy grass-fed beef from my neighbor. There's no difference as far as I can see. I like to support my neighbor, but there's no magic, no difference cooking, no startling color-change tricks as reported elsewhere in this thread.

Maybe it’s not grass-fed. Kidding. Really though if it was you could taste it. In some cases I prefer grain fed cows cause they just taste better. However the fat ratio of healthy to unhealthy fat, omega 3 to omega 6, is a major reason to go grass-fed.

Let me look out the window .... yup! There they are, eating grass.

Re: High beef prices and the destruction of independent cattle ranching

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I buy grass-fed beef from my neighbor. There's no difference as far as I can see. I like to support my neighbor, but there's no magic, no difference cooking, no startling color-change tricks as reported elsewhere in this thread.

Don't know about grass-fed beef, but the taste of grass-fed milk compared to regular is night-and-day to me. I don't often splurge on organic but for milk I do solely for the taste.

I know all about that! Every spring when the dairy cattle in the midwest are turned out into the green fields, the milk tastes of onions. Because wild onions is one of the first things to sprout in the spring!

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The voters have the power to curtail influence of big ag and other corporate oligarchies, but that requires not being afraid of voting for leftist ideas like class consciousness, unions, and stronger government regulation on big businesses.

Can you show me some examples of leftist ideas helping small businesses by regulating big businesses?

Antitrust?
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