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It's true; it is. This year I bought half of a red angus cow straight from the farm. It turns red when it gets cooked. It's a sight to behold. The stuff you buy at the costco has been frozen and unfrozen at least twice before you buy it. That's already a meaningful difference. They clearly treat it with some sort of coloring agent. In the 30 years I have cooked meat, nothing can prepare you for real beef that comes s…
In absolutely no way does any beef sold in stores contain artificial color.
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#172It's time the entire profession was demoted out of the policy levers of governments and placed with astrologers and other voodoo professions. A discipline that can't make accurate and reliable predictions is always going to be prone to conclusion jumping for pay and is worse than useless.
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I took on some caged hens (about 6months back now) that were off for slaughter to be turned into dog food. Straight away they took to the patch of land in my garden I gave them and laid eggs .. the eggs they lay are on another level to anything store bought. I can put a pan of water on boil over a stove; crack an egg into it and have a perfect poached egg 2-3mins later. They are creamy and rich as if they have life c…
This. It is all in the yolks. Farm fresh eggs from happy chickens can be a nice deep yellow/orange, whereas factory eggs are usually pale yellow. Of all of the farm products discussed in the thread, eggs show the biggest difference in my opinion
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#175I love raising my own meat, and look forward to being 100% self-sustainable for all meat consumption across hunting, fishing, and livestock for a family of 5. Meat processing and butchery is very rewarding. Turning a whole pig into a mix of charcuterie, roasts, and sausage doesn't take a lot of time and is completely worth it. This is the opposite of cheap, and is not a 'profitable' endeavor by any means. Buying from…
This all sounds pretty labor intensive to me. About how many hours per year do you think goes in to this? Like is this something that could be a weekend hobby? Or does it require more substantial lifestyle change?
My successful large game hunts have involved going away for a week or more with 2-3 other people. If anyone gets something it’s shared equally amongst the group. Pulling the trigger is about 1% of the effort compared to field dressing, packing out, butchering, setting up camp, etc. With a single moose or caribou you’re looking at a share of 70-100 lbs of meat in the freezer in the end.
There’s a substantial startup cost, and a yearly time sink in researching areas and learning about animal behaviour and habitat. Buying a gun and going to a range to learn how to shoot can be cheap or expensive depending on your tastes. Getting the outdoor gear you need is similar.
This is no way to save money on food, but it’s transformative in terms of how you relate to adversity, nature, and the food chain. Taking full responsibility for every aspect of the food that nourishes you, including taking the life of an animal, requires a lot of psychological work for most people.
Of course the meat is amazing and very satisfying to eat, but the payoffs are not really material. There’s something embedded in our evolution as a species that makes feeding your family and friends something you personally harvested deeply satisfying, it’s really hard to describe, and for me the experience was surprisingly profound. I saved some of the meat from my first caribou so it could be one of the first solid foods that my daughter ate. Feeding it to her was a very meaningful moment.
Beyond that, my appreciation of, and commitment to the conservation of wild spaces became a major calling. It’s so different from camping or hiking when you have a goal every day that causes you do endure weather and uncomfortable situations in ways you didn’t think you were capable of. Sitting on a frosty hillside for hours with a friend while you both scan the landscape with binoculars while barely saying a word probably sounds boring to a lot of people but it becomes a communion with nature that is impossible to achieve in other contexts. Intensely watching animals and learning their patterns and habits made me love and respect them in a way that is hard to express to someone who hasn’t been though it. I know this sounds like a paradox, the desire to kill something that you also want to protect and exalt, and it is. Sorting out this paradox is a very human experience, and it’s one that most of us have become disconnected from.
I also really appreciate that this is basically one or two trips I plan each year that have the side benefit of letting me unplug and go off the grid, putting all my other stresses and concerns to the side and focusing on one big goal. I always come back worn out and battered, but also energized and more at ease. And when it’s not hunting season, my time commitment is pretty low.
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This. It is all in the yolks. Farm fresh eggs from happy chickens can be a nice deep yellow/orange, whereas factory eggs are usually pale yellow. Of all of the farm products discussed in the thread, eggs show the biggest difference in my opinion
Are you sure this is still true? I thought nowadays it's mostly what supplements they put in the feed. These supplements are sold exactly with this kind of promise.
"Handbook on Natural Pigments in Food and Beverages"
Chapter 14 - Feed Additives for Influencing Chicken Meat and Egg Yolk Color
Pigmentation of egg yolks and poultry tissues (mainly skin and fat) directly reflects the contents of carotenoids in the feed of birds. In most countries of the world, consumers prefer pigmented egg yolks, whereas pigmented poultry tissues are less desired. Especially in the southern part of Europe, eggs with a golden-orange tone of yolks are preferred. This is achieved by supplementing feeds of birds with both yellow and red carotenoids. For this purpose, nine carotenoids are approved as feed additives in the European Union, five natural and four artificial products, six with a yellow color and three with a red color. This chapter describes the ways of pigmenting egg yolks and poultry tissues, how to measure the achieved color, the factors affecting the color of the product, the deposition rates of carotenoids, and the contribution of carotenoids in egg yolks to humane intake.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B978008100...
Here's one of these products from BASF:
https://nutrition.basf.com/global/en/animal-nutrition/produc...
Poultry cannot produce carotenoids on their own, which is why the color of egg yolks depends on the carotenoids combination in their diets. However, it is not only the quantity of pigments that matters but also their bioavailability and color intensity. With Lucantin® Yellow (C-30 ester) any egg yolk color between light pastel yellow and reddish is possible.
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I went through a half dozen real estate agents. After several months and false starts, I found a real estate agent who was close to retiring, loved driving far, and liked looking at rural properties. During the week she'd send property listings to me and I'd yay/nay them. Then on the weekend we'd drive around and see three or four of them -- literally all-day affairs on Saturdays and half-days on Sundays. That went o…
AT&T fiber in a rural area? What's the closest major city?
Stringing it along existing poles is cheap, and installing it in new underground utilities is cheap.
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Really free-range poultry (backyard chicken, rather than chicken grown in a factory with a tiny yard just enough to satisfy free range regulations) is like you say, tough, stringy, full of muscle, with normal-sized breasts and its meat is dark. It's no good for roasting because you really have to boil it for a couple of hours at least in order to get it to the point it's edible. I made the mistake once to only cook a…
Chicken meat and hen meat are different things. Big stores very rarely sell hen (or rooster) meat, normally only the meat of young, immature chicks is consumed, free-range or not. This is like the difference between veal and beef. The younger animal has softer meat and a different kind of fat.
Growth hormomes.
As an example, I've seen some US chickens as large as Canadian turkeys...
So free range, may not be getting growth hormones in the feed...
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It's true; it is. This year I bought half of a red angus cow straight from the farm. It turns red when it gets cooked. It's a sight to behold. The stuff you buy at the costco has been frozen and unfrozen at least twice before you buy it. That's already a meaningful difference. They clearly treat it with some sort of coloring agent. In the 30 years I have cooked meat, nothing can prepare you for real beef that comes s…
In absolutely no way does any beef sold in stores contain artificial color.
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I buy grass-fed beef from my neighbor. There's no difference as far as I can see. I like to support my neighbor, but there's no magic, no difference cooking, no startling color-change tricks as reported elsewhere in this thread.
Maybe it’s not grass-fed. Kidding. Really though if it was you could taste it. In some cases I prefer grain fed cows cause they just taste better. However the fat ratio of healthy to unhealthy fat, omega 3 to omega 6, is a major reason to go grass-fed.
So maybe the grass was just ...