This looks like a fun way to test ZMK. Most of the boards out there that support it are tiny and going or the same price, so why not get something bigger in a nice form factor?
Kinesis Advantage 360
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#252Maybe this was asked elsewhere but can anyone comment on what it’s like switching back and forth between keyboard layouts when you don’t have your Kinesis? Eg on phone or using someone else’s computer in a pinch.
Effortless. Muscle memory is a wonderful thing. You don’t struggle to wear two different pairs of shoes or ride two bikes. With enough practice (three months for me) I can type easily on phone keyboards, kinesis/moonlander, and qwerty laptop keyboards. Do yourself a favor and take care of your hands. Split, ergonomic, welled, and ortholinear keyboards make a noticeable difference for finger fatigue, RSI, etc. my wris…
Agreed. After awhile you will always switch modes instantly as long as the keyboard is a different shape.
Kinesis to std, no problem, don't even think about it. Kinesis to Model 1 not so much.
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#253Kinesis Advantage 2 is great, but it's massive and hard to travel with. Looks like the 360 might be a bit easier to travel with. The Kinesis Advantage 2 fits a Magic Trackpad perfectly right in the middle of the keyboard. This lets you perform mouse actions with you right and left hands. Emacs keybindings never made sense to me till I tried them with the Kinesis. I feel like Emacs sucks on a standard Mac keyboard and…
I have the Kinesis Freestyle 2 and, while the layout is good, I really dislike how the keys feel- very mushy, way too much travel distance, and many keys require moving my entire hand from the home row to properly depress because they're very resistant to non-perpendicular force. What I really want is an ergo keyboard with Macbook/laptop style low-travel keys.
Check out the Microsoft Surface Ergonomic keyboard
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#254It's sad that ergonomic keyboards are relatively expensive compared to even other expensive mechanical keyboards.
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#255I love my Kinesis Advantage and I credit it with saving my elbows 15 years ago.
These look great, but I'd definitely be worried about the little stands standing up to constant use.
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#256A major issue I have with these ergo keyboards is the impossibility of trying them before buying them.
Any solutions for this? I guess it is pay to play or stick with normal layouts.
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#257A major issue I have with these ergo keyboards is the impossibility of trying them before buying them. Any solutions for this? I guess it is pay to play or stick with normal layouts.
Kinesis has a 60-day money back guarantee if you buy from them, minus the cost of shipping. These are also sold on Amazon, which has a really good return policy so you can return the item with no hassle if you don’t end up liking it.
Of course, this is all presuming that
A. You have enough capital to buy the keyboard and are ok with not having $300+ for a month or two
B. you can get used to the keyboard within a 30 day period and get a feel for how you’d like to use it full time
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bet the kinesis foot pedals would take emacs to the next level too. I use spacemacs in evil mode so I never bothered having to learn all those key chording things for emacs.
I rely heavily on the foot pedal. The single-pedal is too light and really wants to be bolted to something heavy so it doesn't slide around. The triple-food pedal is much nicer, just because it's heavy and stays put. I map all three foot-buttons to the same thing.
I used the triple-foot pedal for about 1.5 years. I now have chronic discomfort in my left foot; the one I used for the foot pedal. Of course it might be a coincidence, or it could be a RSI from using the foot pedal.
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#259Kinesis Advantage 2 is great, but it's massive and hard to travel with. Looks like the 360 might be a bit easier to travel with. The Kinesis Advantage 2 fits a Magic Trackpad perfectly right in the middle of the keyboard. This lets you perform mouse actions with you right and left hands. Emacs keybindings never made sense to me till I tried them with the Kinesis. I feel like Emacs sucks on a standard Mac keyboard and…
The Magic Trackpad trick is gold! I did the same thing with my advantage 2 keyboard by taping it down with adhesive tape and it’s been an absolute godsend.
I’ve more or less stopped using a mouse and rely on keyboard shortcuts, when those fail I have the trackpad within striking distance.
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#260I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…
For my issues, the fix was
1) Stretching my fingers. Yup. You gotta stretch a) curl motion of each finger, across the top of your hand, b) uncurling motion of each finger, through your palm, c) uncurling the thumb-pinky (touch your pinky to your thumb.. that's what you do when you hold the mouse... do the opposite as a stretch)
2) A good PT who can actually debug my body. I tried 5+ massage/osteo/PT professionals before finding her based on recommendation. Most were completely bad. One was decent but didn't fix the whole problem. Finally I found someone who could fix the problems.
I also got a Kinesis Advantage 2, but honestly with the 2 above tips I'm not sure you need it.