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Re: Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surveillance

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Post by throwawaythekey »

shirro wrote: post #44
e67f70028a46fba wrote: post #9

They aren’t complacent. They are harassed, beaten and arrested if they object. Absolutely disgusting what the government there is doing to our Australian brothers and sisters. And of course no media coverage to speak of in the states.

There have been emergency health measures in place in a couple of states but most states have very few restrictions. Australians pay much less for health care than most places and our health system is run very lean so we have to be cautious until we reach vaccination targets. If they let it rip there would be even more people protesting that they couldn't get into hospital. Everything is open where I live. Plenty of…

> There have been a few incidents in other states but they don't define the whole country.

These incidents are in the population centers (melbourne, sydney). They represent the country to about half of it's inhabitants!

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Post by AlexandrB »

version_five wrote: post #27

Canada's only been marginally better. There's evidently a latent authoritarianism in the Anglosphere that has been activated by covid. The weird thing is that it literally seems to be in inverse proposition to how bad the epidemic actually is in a place. Australia, almost no cases, makes the GDR look like a libertarian paradise. US, way more heavily affected, mostly already moved on. And its certainly not causal. The…

Do you realize that if you reverse cause and effect in your statements it might show that more draconian vaccination policies are keeping these countries from being more heavily affected by COVID? I.e. isn't it just a valid to say that: "US, way more heavily affected because it mostly already moved on".

In Canada it's certainly true that the major province with the most lax policies and the lowest vaccination rates - Alberta - is seeing the most COVID infections and deaths.

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Post by CountDrewku »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #246
CountDrewku wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The BLM protesters managed to remain peaceful, didn't assault reporters, bystanders, or police, and didn't damage property. They protested, and then dispersed on their own. Ummm no that's just false. You can easily search the amount of damage caused by those "protests". There were billions of dollars in property damage. https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4... https://nypost.com/2020/09/05/bla…

The context here is in Australia . The links you provider are all about the US. The Australian BLM protests remained peaceful.

I misunderstood the comment. I didn't realize there were BLM protests in Australia. Strange that there are people who think the Australian government is systemically racist but then are fine with authoritarian lockdowns coming from that same government though.

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Post by masterof0 »

BloominOnion wrote: post #45

I'm becoming more and more despondent by the day here. I'll preface this with, I chose to be vaccinated - I believe the science, however... I watch people allow the Government and Corporations infringe on peoples body autonomy through mandatory vaccination. If you don't received a vaccine by a certain date - you'll lose your right to work in essential industries (it's a lot broader than just aged care or health care)…

You have the right to not get the vaccine, but you do not have the right to put other people at risk. Private companies can and will employ/fire anyone for any reason. That's one of our freedoms (in the US), the freedom of not having to work with as**oles that want to put others at risk. True freedom if you ask me.

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Post by masterof0 »

taitems wrote: post #64

Cries of "Tyranny!" and "Give me liberty or give me death" are imported concepts that don't resonate quite as well here in Australia. The pearl clutching "Save Australia" protests were good for a chuckle[1], but are also accompanied by people advocating we rise up and murder our police[2]? When Florida has 50x the per capita death rate than that of Australia, it's pretty clear that the US chose liberty AND death[3].…

The fact Australians can't leave or enter their own country, is pretty insane, even China (social score China) allows (with quarantine) their citizens to leave or enter the country. Australians let this happen to themselves, and now are screwed forever, sad to see.

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Post by belter »

vel0city wrote: post #66
ImTheMaddest wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can't blame the LNP for all of this. All of the surveillance related bills passed in the last 10 years have been bipartisan. I'd also go as far as to say this is what Australians want. Many people believe these laws won't be used against regular citizens and will assist in law enforcement efforts.

Laws are always used to prosecute criminals. The tricky thing is the definition of criminal can quickly be changed to include you.

You can be 100% sure of that:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1447169440949309442

https://twitter.com/i/status/1441101624471023621

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Post by kwhitefoot »

gruez wrote: post #89
stephen_g wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or with the Access and Disrupt bill, it’s no longer much of a stretch to ‘add and modify’ some illegal material onto your computers and devices…

Doesn't that obviously fall under entrapment?

Is entrapment a meaningful legal concept in Australia?

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Post by 87er43 »

masterof0 wrote: post #254
BloominOnion wrote: post #45

I'm becoming more and more despondent by the day here. I'll preface this with, I chose to be vaccinated - I believe the science, however... I watch people allow the Government and Corporations infringe on peoples body autonomy through mandatory vaccination. If you don't received a vaccine by a certain date - you'll lose your right to work in essential industries (it's a lot broader than just aged care or health care)…

You have the right to not get the vaccine, but you do not have the right to put other people at risk. Private companies can and will employ/fire anyone for any reason. That's one of our freedoms (in the US), the freedom of not having to work with as**oles that want to put others at risk. True freedom if you ask me.

True freedom is getting fired for hesitation over experimental medicine. People with hesitation are assholes who want to put others at risk. It's so clear now.

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

pentae wrote: post #139
stephen_g wrote: post #14

It’s a fairly complex situation. Most people just don’t realise all the encroaching police state laws even exist (I refer to the real ones Federally, not the temporary State-Government health orders that some people have tried to blow out of proportion). We have very little media diversity. The few billionaires who own the few outlets enjoy the continuing tax cuts, random free grants, advertising spend, etc. from the…

As an Australian I respectfully disagree with you and agree with the article - most Australians just don't care. I've consistently mentioned this to my Australian friends, colleagues, family members for about 10 years now and it's always met with complacency. Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry abo…

Do you have enough historical counter examples to show how people absolutely did end up worrying? To be fair, Australia is a long way from Europe for instance, but I'm pretty sure examples from nearer by might still be available

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Post by angelzen »

CountDrewku wrote: post #253
paranoidrobot wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context here is in Australia . The links you provider are all about the US. The Australian BLM protests remained peaceful.

I misunderstood the comment. I didn't realize there were BLM protests in Australia. Strange that there are people who think the Australian government is systemically racist but then are fine with authoritarian lockdowns coming from that same government though.

Why is this strange? Turns out there is a lot of people that see no problem with collective guilt by spreadsheet and scapegoating of those caught on the wrong side of said spreadsheet.
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