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Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by ymolodtsov »

mr_toad wrote: post #84
1ris wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That is a privilege for states. Private organisations can only boycott (non-)states by not doing any business with said (non-)citizens. Why in the world Wikimedia do that, and how? Second, this policy by china is the problem. Not the lack of obedience by the rest of the world.

> First of all, no private organisation can "recognize" a state. That’s not how the CCP sees it. They have threatened hotel chains and airlines that referred to Taiwan as a country.

I've seen people in large tech companies compulsively editing all texts about their sales across the world to change "XX countries" to "XXX countries and territories", it turned into a habit for them. And there's basically just one country they care about in that instance and which is worth mentioning.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by trasz »

ashtonkem wrote: post #197
epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

> I wonder if Americans/Westerners are capable of acknowledging the things that their countries get wrong, or do wrong. Why would you wonder that? This forum is chock full of criticism of the American government by Americans. I’ve personally levied a huge amount of it myself on this very website. In fact, I genuinely cannot imagine how you could possibly ask such a question in good faith.

It’s a valid question, given that US perpetrators never meet justice and the society isn’t even trying to do anything about it.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by trasz »

jturpin wrote: post #187
satao wrote: post #67

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It's even crazier because when you are not american you realize that Hollywood is also the biggest soft propaganda agency for the USA. When have you seen a movie about the USSR winning the WW2? Or about the Guantanamo Bay?

Hollywood is highly critical of the USA. Pretty much every sentiment in a post 90's war movie is "The US also did some bad stuff that we should feel ashamed about."

“Some”? That doesn’t sound “highly critical” at all.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by dredmorbius »

x0x0 wrote: post #235
michaelsbradley wrote: post #218

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downvoted for lack of evidence/examples.

Nazis: https://www.wired.com/story/one-womans-mission-to-rewrite-na... Then there's this: > Most of Scottish Wikipedia Written By American in Mangled English https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxqy8x/most-of-scottish-wiki... Some examples of the writing here: https://twitter.com/NeerajKA/status/1298579510581960705 And finally, I remember some translated wikipedia language was mostly written by like 10 people and went ki…

The first is not an example of misinformation at all.

The second isn't politically motivated, but simple vandalism.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by lelandfe »

nextaccountic wrote: post #244
x0x0 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazis: https://www.wired.com/story/one-womans-mission-to-rewrite-na... Then there's this: > Most of Scottish Wikipedia Written By American in Mangled English https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxqy8x/most-of-scottish-wiki... Some examples of the writing here: https://twitter.com/NeerajKA/status/1298579510581960705 And finally, I remember some translated wikipedia language was mostly written by like 10 people and went ki…

Those two are examples of lone individuals spreading misinformation, but not a concerted effort of Wikimedia itself or one of its chapters

And the first example isn’t even that - it’s an editor who is trying to reduce the usage of sources that stem from Nazi propaganda and to limit flowery unsourced language around the Nazis.

Other editors get in her way, but that’s still in good faith. Not exactly a situation that backs up that commenter’s point, for sure.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

int_19h wrote: post #93
ethbr0 wrote: post #88

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That's the entire point of the Security Council -- to allow states with the most powerful militaries and nuclear weapons to exert greater influence. To create another system would be to risk irrelevance due to the mismatch between actual military power and UN power. It sucks when it leads to states using that power, but the alternative is more wars and potentially nuclear weapons use.

That's the entire point of the Security Council veto . Note that there are other, rotating members on it, which do not have the veto power. In principle, all members could be like that. I understand that UNSC is the way it is because that's the only way to actually get the power players to participate. That doesn't make it any less broken.

Everything is broken because there's no perfection?

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by sinuhe69 »

It seems to me the whole concept of UNs with its permanent gatekeepers are hopelessly outdated, it should be threw out entirely. The rest of the world, exclude these gatekeepers should convene an alternative UN where the old imperialists can decide whether they want to join it as an equal member or not.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

ashtonkem wrote: post #197
epgui wrote: post #104

(Disclaimer: I'm a franco-Canadian of mixed European descent.) This article doesn't give China a great image, sure. I can think of a million criticisms to levy against China. However, I feel like a lot of the comments aren't just criticizing China, they seem to be outright anti-China. I wonder if, in the grand scheme of things, Americans/Westerners might be feeling threatened by the shift in power. I wonder if Americ…

> I wonder if Americans/Westerners are capable of acknowledging the things that their countries get wrong, or do wrong. Why would you wonder that? This forum is chock full of criticism of the American government by Americans. I’ve personally levied a huge amount of it myself on this very website. In fact, I genuinely cannot imagine how you could possibly ask such a question in good faith.

Yeahbut(TM) the lions share of the criticism of American government that takes place on sites like this one is not people looking at and evaluating the things that happen in America but simply people repeating tropes to indicate membership of one tribe or another. You gotta go like five layers of comments deep before people making comments that are the result of substantive thought outnumber the people firing off tropes for virtue points.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by krageon »

andyxor wrote: post #219
michaelsbradley wrote: post #218

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downvoted for lack of evidence/examples.

well pick any American politician right of center and check their wikipedia page.

Every US politician that anyone would actually know is extreme right, so this is a very big group. Not a very useful classification, you may as well have said "any US politician". Then we get to the point where it is unclear what your actual problem is with their wikipedia pages.

The only thing that can be concluded is that you apparently believe the wikipedia page of every US politician is somehow anomalous. It tells us nothing.

Re: China blocks Wikimedia from entering World Intellectual Property Organization

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Post by krageon »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #227
coldacid wrote: post #184

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Such as the United Nations.

I think people expect the U.N. to be an advocate for their visions of the world. The U.N.'s primary purpose is simply to minimize the occurrence of war, especially nuclear war, not to spread any particular political ideology across the world such as “freedom and democracy”. In this particular case it allows China a conduit to achieve what it wants to without firing nuclear missiles.

It is in essence the triumph of words over violence, which is never a bad thing. It sucks if your words do not win, but it is better than your family dying and then not winning anyway.
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