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How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by alangibson »

ithinkso wrote: post #76
alangibson wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the way math works. G-d himself can't reverse a hash. Before you go invoking the "miracle" loophole, consider that miracles are logically impossible. If an impossible thing happens, then it was not in fact impossible. We just didn't understand the rules.

That's how maths works. Hashes are trivially reversible, all it takes is time, no miracle needed. Oracles in complexity theory are a bread and butter concept

If hashes were trivially reversible, there'd be no cryptography.

You're thinking of something like a rainbow table. Definitely not the same thing as rewinding a function that loses information.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by alangibson »

praptak wrote: post #79
alangibson wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the way math works. G-d himself can't reverse a hash. Before you go invoking the "miracle" loophole, consider that miracles are logically impossible. If an impossible thing happens, then it was not in fact impossible. We just didn't understand the rules.

God himself is omniscient, so He by definition knows all the reverses of all hashes. Also, to know the reverse of any hash you don't even need full omniscience, just "merely" the knowledge of anything that ever happened. Rewind the history of the universe, read the reverse from RAM when the hash was computed, done.

That's prior knowledge of the answer. Not the same thing as rewinding a trapdoor function. It's not very impressive if you already know the answer.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by alangibson »

dsr_ wrote: post #80
alangibson wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the way math works. G-d himself can't reverse a hash. Before you go invoking the "miracle" loophole, consider that miracles are logically impossible. If an impossible thing happens, then it was not in fact impossible. We just didn't understand the rules.

The omniscient one doesn't need to reverse a hash; they recognize immediately all possible values that could produce the hash.

So God had access to a really big rainbow table. Not terribly impressive for the supposed creator of the universe.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by alangibson »

true_religion wrote: post #100
alangibson wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the way math works. G-d himself can't reverse a hash. Before you go invoking the "miracle" loophole, consider that miracles are logically impossible. If an impossible thing happens, then it was not in fact impossible. We just didn't understand the rules.

Back when I studied theology, the way we used to describe omniscience was to indicate that entities that exist outside of our universe can trivially see all points of our time stream. Thus the hypothetical devil need not reverse the hash, they just have to view its creation to know what it was created from.

Anything existing outside out universe would have no access to anything happening inside it by definition. If the could access it, they would have to be part of the universe system. How else could information be transferred.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by bobbytit »

citruscomputing wrote: post #66
deadalus wrote: post #7

Recommended contemporary occultists(demonic/dark magic practitioners) and their works: EA Koetting (founder of BALG, 9 demonic gatekeepers) Konstantinos (Nocturnal Witchcraft) Somnus Dreadwood (Maergzjiran Cabal founder) Kurtis Joseph (Black Magick of Ahriman) Mark Alan Smith (Primal Craft books) S. Connolly (The Complete Book of Demonolatry) Asenath Mason (deals with Qliphotic magic) NAA 218 (unknown author, created…

Thanks for the list! Will check them out. A few less "dark" folks I try to follow: Jason Miller ( http://www.strategicsorcery.net/blog/ ) Aidan Wachter ( http://www.aidanwachter.com/ ) Damien Echols ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnRyoC6Oww6FrYVc-BxKyDg/vid... ) Bluefluke ( https://bluefluke.tumblr.com/ ) Frater U.'. D.'. Further suggestions of contemporary practitioners are much appreciated.

Don't forget Hillarys books

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by 0dayz »

quaintdev wrote: post #70

Since we are on a metaphorical plane today. Let me put my comment along similar lines on a youtube video [1] You see in Zombie movies, the zombie is always trying to turn an individual capable of moral decisions, empathy, insight into just another zombie out of his own self interest. Our society is actually far closer to the truth shown in those movies. Just because people are not biting each other does not mean thos…

I mean zombies are spooky.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by trasz »

yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #245
trasz wrote: post #189

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If any of this were true, we would have a proof, and it would become science. We known it doesn’t work, because all the recorded attempts resulted in absolutely nothing.

In order for it to work you must believe it will work. That is how christianity works and how witchcraft works.

It never worked even for people who believed it works.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by krapp »

lordnacho wrote: post #156
drdec wrote: post #37

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The demons are just trying to satisfy the marketplace. They provide whatever will sell.

Surely there would be more demons in the vanity/jealousy/revenge market than the knowledge market?

There are many more demons to choose from than the ones listed in the article[0].

The interesting thing about demonology is that it was mostly being practiced in secret by Christians, even clergy (a lot of these spells and rituals use Christian liturgical elements.) They didn't believe what they were doing was "selling their soul to the devil," rather that Christ had given them dominion over angels and demons, so they had every right to summon demons and use them as they saw fit. Legend at the time was that King Solomon built the First Temple using demon slaves.

Of course the Church proper would have strenuously agreed with this way of thinking.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_demons_in_the_Ars_Goet...

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by dalmo3 »

vintermann wrote: post #249
zwirbl wrote: post #243

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Isn't it just as foolish to assume there to be a good?

No. These questions have been well explained by a couple of old French philosophers, but they're usually presented in such a weak form ("weak man") that their answers aren't appreciated. Pascal's infamous wager, for instance. It's usually rendered in the form of salvation and probability, but it's better for modern people to think of it in terms of meaning rather than salvation, and the probabilistic part of it can b…

> Instead of asking, "Is there a God", ask first, "Does anything matter in any meaningful sense?".

That's moving the goalposts and completely avoiding GP's argument. Interesting viewpoint nonetheless.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by latexr »

yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #245
trasz wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If any of this were true, we would have a proof, and it would become science. We known it doesn’t work, because all the recorded attempts resulted in absolutely nothing.

In order for it to work you must believe it will work. That is how christianity works and how witchcraft works.

> In order for it to work you must believe it will work.

In other words: if you are susceptible to having your mind play tricks on you, it will. Mentalists[1], mediums[2], and other proven charlatans[3] make a living out of that effect. Add some confirmation bias[4] and you do it to yourself.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentalism

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_...

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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