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Post by presentation »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #159
jboy55 wrote: post #119

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To ignore the relation between homelessness, the high cost of housing, the gentrification as tech people like to live authentic and the absolute lack of building, and to pretend its welfare and the lack of guns is just blindness. People in SF have to either kick the tech companies out, or allow a massive amount of high density housing in.

I’d tech companies are going to build massive “campuses” they should be required to build “dormitories” too.

Google did try to build housing but Mountain View wouldn’t let them. [1] I also have been to public hearings where Mountain View and Palo Alto council members celebrate their success in blocking public transit in the South Bay (hence Google Buses). If you think this is the tech companies fault then maybe the local governments shouldn’t be blocking them from trying to help.

https://www.mv-voice.com/print/story/2012/07/13/google-housi...

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Post by Consultant32452 »

aksss wrote: post #237
Consultant32452 wrote: post #210

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It feels like you think you’re disagreeing with me but I agree with everything you wrote.

Nope, don't disagree with you (I don't think), just adding more color the idiocy of the "theory".

Not idiocy. Evil. Your safety and comfort are reasonable sacrifices to these cretins.

They know exactly what they are doing, who it impacts, and who it doesn’t.

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Post by knownjorbist »

BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #229
knownjorbist wrote: post #168

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Border restrictions are a recent phenomenon. If you care about free markets or a smaller state, but not the free movement of labor at the same time, you are holding hypocritical beliefs.

The “free market” is not a real thing and it never will be - it is a platonic ideal. Every nation on Earth has border restrictions of some kind. Though recent in human history, such restrictions clearly have utility and value in the modern world.

It should be easy to move, live and work wherever one desires. Arbitrarily stringent border controls and immigration policies are a tax on us all.

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Post by adrianN »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #249
adrianN wrote: post #242

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I would be terrified to stop a thief anywhere in the US, because I assume that they have a gun and will just shoot me. I don't own stuff that is worth the risk.

This will be unpopular, but have you ever heard the phrase "an armed society is a polite society"? Just as you're afraid to stop someone committing a crime because they might be armed (wait, I thought there were strict gun control laws, how can they be armed?! You mean criminals don't obey laws?! /s), an attacker will be hesitant to assault you if they think you are armed.

The statistics about death-by-gun for the US that I've heard seem to indicate that this theory doesn't translate very well to practice.

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Post by SamReidHughes »

evanelias wrote: post #234
SamReidHughes wrote: post #233

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"Some" looting. We have the videos of rampant looting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-a... "More than half of the hate crimes in New York City last year were attacks on Jewish people. Orthodox Jews are particularly at risk." No, it's not "in both directions," or would you care to put a number on the ratio there?

So you've reviewed all these looting videos and think that somehow gives you a better perspective on its extensiveness than someone who actually lives in this city? If this is seriously your perspective then there's no point discussing anything further with you. As for "both directions", YES, it is. Educate yourself by reading about the Shomrim and their history of assaulting random people of color. You're also exami…

You didn’t put a number on that ratio, did you. Are you saying it’s 100:1, instead of 100:0? Why isn’t there a volunteer patrol protecting people from rampaging Hasids?

A more reliable source of information than you is the data, the videos, and the voters who somehow, despite your explanations that things are just fine, picked Eric Adams for mayor.

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Post by evanelias »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #255
evanelias wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you've reviewed all these looting videos and think that somehow gives you a better perspective on its extensiveness than someone who actually lives in this city? If this is seriously your perspective then there's no point discussing anything further with you. As for "both directions", YES, it is. Educate yourself by reading about the Shomrim and their history of assaulting random people of color. You're also exami…

You didn’t put a number on that ratio, did you. Are you saying it’s 100:1, instead of 100:0? Why isn’t there a volunteer patrol protecting people from rampaging Hasids? A more reliable source of information than you is the data, the videos, and the voters who somehow, despite your explanations that things are just fine, picked Eric Adams for mayor.

You seem to lack all historical context on the social dynamic in Crown Heights and South Williamsburg, the disproportionately massive political power of the Hasidim voting block, and how this leads to disproportionately one-sided arrest and conviction rates whenever ethnic violence occurs in these neighborhoods.

The severe 1991 Crown Heights riots occurred directly as a result of a Hasidic rabbi's motorcade running a red light and striking two black children, one fatally. Ethnic tensions in this area had already been simmering for a long time, and while they've improved since 1991, there are still lots of problems. But this is just two Brooklyn neighborhoods, and has absolutely nothing to do with liberal-run cities or widespread "severe social dysfunction" in NYC, a city of over 8 million people and a combined metro area of 20 million people.

So, no, I'm absolutely not going to waste my time researching some arbitrary ratio that is completely orthogonal to the topic at hand, just because some random person on the internet is trying to gaslight me from 2500 miles away.

As for looting and "the data" and "the videos": two NewsCorp-owned publications put the estimated number of looted businesses at 450. As NewsCorp skews far-right we can assume that's the worst-case (highest possible) number. Among the approx 220,000 businesses in NYC, an estimated 32,000 are retail businesses, but this number does not account for how many of these are businesses with multiple storefronts.

From this, as well as daily personal observation in various parts of the NYC metro area, I would conclude far less than 1% of storefronts in NYC were looted. While this was a significant event, it's FAR from a "major riot". It's also not an ongoing problem.

In all the videos I saw, the perpetrators were large groups of teens on bicycles. Meanwhile NYPD has 36,000 officers and a nontrivial amount of military-grade equipment. One can either conclude that somehow they were incapable of stopping groups of teenagers on bicycles, or one can more logically conclude that they chose not to.

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

adrianN wrote: post #254
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will be unpopular, but have you ever heard the phrase "an armed society is a polite society"? Just as you're afraid to stop someone committing a crime because they might be armed (wait, I thought there were strict gun control laws, how can they be armed?! You mean criminals don't obey laws?! /s), an attacker will be hesitant to assault you if they think you are armed.

The statistics about death-by-gun for the US that I've heard seem to indicate that this theory doesn't translate very well to practice.

Oh, I dunno. 330+ million people, over that many guns in the US, and what percentage are gun deaths?

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Post by SamReidHughes »

evanelias wrote: post #256
SamReidHughes wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn’t put a number on that ratio, did you. Are you saying it’s 100:1, instead of 100:0? Why isn’t there a volunteer patrol protecting people from rampaging Hasids? A more reliable source of information than you is the data, the videos, and the voters who somehow, despite your explanations that things are just fine, picked Eric Adams for mayor.

You seem to lack all historical context on the social dynamic in Crown Heights and South Williamsburg, the disproportionately massive political power of the Hasidim voting block, and how this leads to disproportionately one-sided arrest and conviction rates whenever ethnic violence occurs in these neighborhoods. The severe 1991 Crown Heights riots occurred directly as a result of a Hasidic rabbi's motorcade running a…

> and how this leads to disproportionately one-sided arrest and conviction rates whenever ethnic violence occurs in these neighborhoods.

Nope, we have surveillance cameras everywhere now, and thus we know the one-sided arrest and conviction rates are driven by the one-sided crime rates.

> put the estimated number of looted businesses at

But you deserve to live in a city where people don't riot when kid gets hit by a car, and you deserve to live in a city where 0% of storefronts are looted, and where the looters would actually get prosecuted and serve time.

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Post by evanelias »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #258
evanelias wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to lack all historical context on the social dynamic in Crown Heights and South Williamsburg, the disproportionately massive political power of the Hasidim voting block, and how this leads to disproportionately one-sided arrest and conviction rates whenever ethnic violence occurs in these neighborhoods. The severe 1991 Crown Heights riots occurred directly as a result of a Hasidic rabbi's motorcade running a…

> and how this leads to disproportionately one-sided arrest and conviction rates whenever ethnic violence occurs in these neighborhoods. Nope, we have surveillance cameras everywhere now, and thus we know the one-sided arrest and conviction rates are driven by the one-sided crime rates. > put the estimated number of looted businesses at But you deserve to live in a city where people don't riot when kid gets hit by a…

> we have surveillance cameras everywhere now

LOL, you've clearly never been to Crown Heights. Think airplane security theater, not London-level omnipresent cameras.

Last year de Blasio made a big stink about installing a whooping 100 cameras between Crown Heights, Williamsburg, and Borough Park. In combination, the population of these neighborhoods is over 400,000 people.

> But you deserve to live in a city where people don't riot when kid gets hit by a car, and you deserve to live in a city where 0% of storefronts are looted, and where the looters would actually get prosecuted and serve time.

I'd settle for a country where people don't riot when they lose a free and fair election. In the most severe US riot in 2021, the perpetrators were Republicans who violently assaulted law enforcement officers and ransacked the seat of our democracy. Many of them traveled from red states; I suppose these states must have severe social dysfunction?

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Post by Chris2048 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #120
alexjplant wrote: post #113

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> My logic is 'crossing the road is completely reasonable, doesn't harm anyone, people should be allowed to get to the other side of the road'. That logic doesn't follow to speeding, which is dangerous and selfish. Putting oneself in the path of a multi-ton vehicle that doesn't expect you to be there and placing the onus on them to avoid committing vehicular manslaughter when you could use a space explicitly designat…

Why is your default that the road belongs to the car in the first place? Why should people need to stick to limited spaces 'designated' for them? How do you think we manage it in the UK without these laws and why do you think our road-death rate is lower?

In the UK, It's not legal to cross a motorway, and non-compliance with the highway code could work against you in a civil court case.

The higher road-death rate in the US might be the reason these laws exist, rather than a symptom of the laws - or are you suggesting that making jaywalking a crime increases road deaths?

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