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Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by jboy55 »

desine wrote: post #220
jboy55 wrote: post #218

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"It's not a statement of any one group being better than another. It's not a statement that I don't enjoy many aspects of our diverse society." If you are coming clean, then please continue, what groups are you talking about? And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'?

> what groups are you talking about? Any divide you wish to draw, I'm not drawing them. SF is more diverse than Krakow when you account for race, place of birth, religion, sexuality/gender identity. >And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'? A diverse population has less homogeneity. Keep fishing, but get better bait.

its ok, I know what you are saying, even though you won't say it.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by desine »

jboy55 wrote: post #231
desine wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what groups are you talking about? Any divide you wish to draw, I'm not drawing them. SF is more diverse than Krakow when you account for race, place of birth, religion, sexuality/gender identity. >And what attribute are you declaring causes a 'lack of homogeny'? A diverse population has less homogeneity. Keep fishing, but get better bait.

its ok, I know what you are saying, even though you won't say it.

Why be so coy? Call me out if you have something to say, jboy

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by SamReidHughes »

evanelias wrote: post #230
SamReidHughes wrote: post #226

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In NYC, for years, Jews have repeatedly gotten attacked in the streets. Last year, the city had major riots and looting. D.C. had the same. Here in San Diego we had a Republican mayor, Republican county board of supervisors, and Republican county DA last year, and there was only minimal social dysfunction, while rioters and looters ransacked many parts of LA County.

I've lived in or near NYC for 14 years now. There were no "major riots" last year, full stop. There was some looting, yes. Not "major riots". Crown Heights in 1991 was a "major riot", this was nothing of the sort. As for violence against Hasidim (not "Jews" in general), there have been occasional acts of violence between the Hasidic community and other residents of the same neighborhoods -- in both directions , notab…

"Some" looting. We have the videos of rampant looting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-a...

"More than half of the hate crimes in New York City last year were attacks on Jewish people. Orthodox Jews are particularly at risk."

No, it's not "in both directions," or would you care to put a number on the ratio there?

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by evanelias »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #233
evanelias wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've lived in or near NYC for 14 years now. There were no "major riots" last year, full stop. There was some looting, yes. Not "major riots". Crown Heights in 1991 was a "major riot", this was nothing of the sort. As for violence against Hasidim (not "Jews" in general), there have been occasional acts of violence between the Hasidic community and other residents of the same neighborhoods -- in both directions , notab…

"Some" looting. We have the videos of rampant looting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-a... "More than half of the hate crimes in New York City last year were attacks on Jewish people. Orthodox Jews are particularly at risk." No, it's not "in both directions," or would you care to put a number on the ratio there?

So you've reviewed all these looting videos and think that somehow gives you a better perspective on its extensiveness than someone who actually lives in this city? If this is seriously your perspective then there's no point discussing anything further with you.

As for "both directions", YES, it is. Educate yourself by reading about the Shomrim and their history of assaulting random people of color.

You're also examining a statistic that is effectively ethnic proportion of hate crime convictions, which is orthogonal to per capita violence or "severe social dysfunction".

My point in this subthread is that people complaining about "severe social dysfunction in liberal-run cities" are actually just complaining about large US cities in general, because literally every large city in this country leans left.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by moneywoes »

dougmwne wrote: post #173
walrus01 wrote: post #64

The same as with vancouver, San Francisco and Los Angeles are both some of the rare large cities in the USA where a homeless person can live a fully outdoor lifestyle year-round and not risk freezing to death.

This is often repeated, but the entirety of the US south is warm year-round and the proportion of unhoused homeless is much lower in all those southern cities. Clearly there is something else at play on the west coast that resists housing the homeless.

From what I understand, other provinces would buy their homeless one way bus tickets to Vancouver

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by aksss »

tolbish wrote: post #214
aksss wrote: post #200

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What don’t you get? Policy makers are out over their skis believing in a utopia that runs contrary to human nature and economics. They can’t admit the physics of the problem so just keep insisting they haven’t gone far enough . Graft creeps in as it always does, corrupting the machinery that (even generously) may have originally been born with the best of intentions. Everyone is afraid of being labeled as intolerant…

> to say this isn’t working and needs radical correction to enforce some social norms and define acceptable behavior under penalty of imprisonment, labor, or some undesirable consequence for the offender We should really be focusing on the underlying mental health issues rather than resorting to a base desire to crack skulls. One such example is opening up (humane) mental health institutions. For people who are out o…

Who said anything about cracking skulls? Institutionalization is simply a manner of imprisonment, but it is still in that column. State-run institutions were shut down, but interestingly the amount of "institutionalized" people in the population remained much the same, they basically just moved into the prison system, which I think is arguably worse. But yeah, I'm all for addressing mental health and being more "liberal" with institutionalization. It's better than having crazy people cursing at kids on the street, threatening violence and creating public health hazards.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by aksss »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #210
aksss wrote: post #198

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The problem with the theory is that the people who have a choice to avoid it just move out. The wealthy who stay can live behind gates and walls with paid protection. The people who promote these theories live in such a disconnected reality, relearning basic lessons in ways that cost societies as a whole and tragically create even more inequality and inequity than was present when they started. Now you preside over a…

It feels like you think you’re disagreeing with me but I agree with everything you wrote.

Nope, don't disagree with you (I don't think), just adding more color the idiocy of the "theory".

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by jboy55 »

desine wrote: post #232
jboy55 wrote: post #231

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its ok, I know what you are saying, even though you won't say it.

Why be so coy? Call me out if you have something to say, jboy

You should have the balls to stand up for your beliefs, and you admit you hide behind dog whistles, so why keep hiding. You hide your reasons behind the cloak. Again, its doesn't matter, I have a good idea on your defining characteristic, its been the whispered excuse for 50-60 years as to why the scores low on education or health. I've been around plenty of people who don't have any qualms about removing the cloak, and your arguments are exactly the same.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by jboy55 »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #159
jboy55 wrote: post #119

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To ignore the relation between homelessness, the high cost of housing, the gentrification as tech people like to live authentic and the absolute lack of building, and to pretend its welfare and the lack of guns is just blindness. People in SF have to either kick the tech companies out, or allow a massive amount of high density housing in.

I’d tech companies are going to build massive “campuses” they should be required to build “dormitories” too.

Its insane to still see massive tech campuses being built given the housing shortage.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by desine »

jboy55 wrote: post #238
desine wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why be so coy? Call me out if you have something to say, jboy

You should have the balls to stand up for your beliefs, and you admit you hide behind dog whistles, so why keep hiding. You hide your reasons behind the cloak. Again, its doesn't matter, I have a good idea on your defining characteristic, its been the whispered excuse for 50-60 years as to why the scores low on education or health. I've been around plenty of people who don't have any qualms about removing the cloak,…

I hide nothing. I believe what I say, I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. I stated that diversity does have a price, but made no statements as to education scores or public health. These problems with diversity do not stem from any one group, they stem from people not understanding the cultural differences that make up society. You're looking for a bogeyman, but I'm not it.

This continued assault of trying to find bigotry behind any minor statements that don't completely align with the progressive globalism agenda only undermines your collective stances.

"My defining characteristic" is something you can't justifiably claim, something I never said or alluded to. Y'all are too much sometimes.

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