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Makes me wonder, are there any cameos in Bond movies ?
That old guy you see in Skyfall who helps him setup the home alone traps was supposed to be Connery, but it didn’t happen. This isn’t really surprising though, Connery stopped associating himself with bond many years ago, so it’s was unlikely he would ever agree to do a cameo.
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It has nothing to do with people having a squeaky clean legacy. If a world famous celebrity uses the megaphone of a televised interview to double down on and expand on views that it’s ok to slap women, that is a huge, dramatic event. That’s not just some small “we all make mistakes” transgression to be forgiven while we remember that person at his best. It is a huge, intentional literal broadcast of a very harmful be…
Alright, so what is your proposed idea to deal with _anyone_ like this? If Connery's remark is huge and dramatic, what does that mean for everyone else? It took Connery to die for you to bring this topic up. I would expect you cared about this before the news, and not just in light of it.
Most people who display this type of direct misogyny don’t happen to also be world-famous movie stars using a national television broadcast to amplify the message.
So obviously because of the harm it propagates and the precedent it sets, Connery’s behavior should be railed against with much more effort than transgressions with far less widespread impact - but of course regular people committing the same transgression absolutely deserve for their behavior to be used to highlight moral reprehensibility (assuming they refuse to apologize or retract those views like Connery).
I once helped Mr. Connery print something. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hilton in 2004 during Oscars week. I was in the business center on the Internet (this was the dark ages before ubiquitous hotel WiFi and personal devices.) Someone comes in, and then a few minutes later says in a completely unmistakable voice “Excuse me, do you know how to print this?” I immediately jumped into parental IT support mode, it…
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I’m sorry but this is in no way a fair characterization of his comments to Barbara Walters. It is specifically brought up in the context of slapping women, and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. That is an attempt to completely whitewash what he said and the circumstances referring to his earlier quote from Playboy. I am sickened to see this mental gymnasti…
> and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. Well maybe we have not seen the same video then. i quote: "Some women wont leave it alone. They want to have the last word and wheb you give them the last word their are not happy with it and they want to say it again. And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Its the litteral definition of gaslight…
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> and he is quite obviously not talking about slapping in response being verbally abused, not at all. Well maybe we have not seen the same video then. i quote: "Some women wont leave it alone. They want to have the last word and wheb you give them the last word their are not happy with it and they want to say it again. And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Its the litteral definition of gaslight…
Not letting something go isn't gaslighting or verbal abuse.
Jesus you guys really would really say anything to make him look bad. How else would you even be able to convey "gaslighting" or "abuse" with words at that time.
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Not letting something go isn't gaslighting or verbal abuse.
"And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Jesus you guys really would really say anything to make him look bad. How else would you even be able to convey "gaslighting" or "abuse" with words at that time.
Gaslighting was called gaslighting or trying to make someone think they're crazy. Abuse was called abuse.
Even trying to provoke someone isn't gaslighting. But that isn't what he said. He just said "and get into a really provocative situation". He also said he hadn't changed his mind from when he said "If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I’d do it."
Reacting to verbal abuse with physical abuse usually just escalates the situation. So it would be bad advice even if he meant what you think he did.
I once helped Mr. Connery print something. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hilton in 2004 during Oscars week. I was in the business center on the Internet (this was the dark ages before ubiquitous hotel WiFi and personal devices.) Someone comes in, and then a few minutes later says in a completely unmistakable voice “Excuse me, do you know how to print this?” I immediately jumped into parental IT support mode, it…
Your story reminds me How did Sean Connery shave? ...same as the rest of us, ctrl-s
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"And they will try to get you into a provocative situation." Jesus you guys really would really say anything to make him look bad. How else would you even be able to convey "gaslighting" or "abuse" with words at that time.
I actually didn't say anything about Connery. Gaslighting was called gaslighting or trying to make someone think they're crazy. Abuse was called abuse. Even trying to provoke someone isn't gaslighting. But that isn't what he said. He just said "and get into a really provocative situation". He also said he hadn't changed his mind from when he said "If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, th…
Its just not "spousal abuse" like OP said trying to make hime look like evil. Its just light escalation that he say he doesnt want to do on the first place. Its not the end of the world even if its bad. Its just like the end of world in this thread because its about hitting a woman.
He would say yeah "i would puch a guy who harrass me in a bar if he doesnt stop" and no one would bat an eye.
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> It’s obviously a quick PR filler piece Now that you've made up your mind, anything to the contrary is a conspiracy. Did you actually listen to what Sean said? He starts by saying it's wrong to hit women. He knows it's wrong. What he's saying is if a woman doesn't know when to shut up, they could get themselves slapped and it wasn't beneath him either. He's justifying physical retaliation to verbal abuse. That's ver…
> “ Now that you've made up your mind, anything to the contrary is a conspiracy.” This is an absurd response. Just look at the article - it is emphatically not a retraction or apology. You can’t just claim I’ve become close-minded and therefore dismiss anything else that’s said. That’s just your own close-mindedness. > “ He starts by saying it's wrong to hit women. He knows it's wrong. What he's saying is if a woman…
And if you'd asked me whether I am a defender of abusers, I could have writted how I am not. Yet, you've already made assumptions to the contrary.
> your own close-mindedness.
What I said could also be interpreted as open-minded. You just don't appreciate the context in which it was practiced.
To only be able to see things in specific ways to the detriment of others and yourself is close-mindedness, similar to what you have demonstrated with your views.
> If someone needs help, let's help them. Public shaming helps no one.
Take Bill Cosby, since he's been found guilty of acts, not just speech. Do you think Cosby needs any shaming beyond the facts?
If you're going around spewing hate regarding someone who has already shamed themselves by their own actions, what exactly does anyone need you for? And what exactly are you doing?
Sean Connery is the same. What he said embarassed him enough. People already hated him enough for it and punished him at the time.
If you want to help DV victims then let's help DV victims. Shaming a dead Bond does little for your cause, just as shaming Dr. Huxtable will do little or nothing to protect anyone that needs help now. No DV perp is going to read what you wrote and change their ways.