United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

Post by benhurmarcel » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 9:26 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #18

whatshisface wrote: post #7

America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

I mean, one option is to break up Boeing (and Airbus). They’re far too vertically integrated.

Post by benhurmarcel » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 9:36 PM UTC

wenc wrote: post #66

rootusrootus wrote: post #5

My takeaway is that Airbus and Boeing both need to make progress on their clean-sheet midsize designs. The A321XLR sounds great but it's kinda what Boeing has been doing to the 737, milking it for decades. The A320 is a newer design, for sure, but it's not young. I won't miss the 737. What I'd love to see is a twin-aisle-but-small short range aircraft. Yeah, that won't happen, but it would be comfy.

The Airbus A220 (formerly the Bombardier C-Series) is a clean sheet design and by most accounts, one of the best designs of its class today. It widely considered to be a next generation commercial aircraft, and will be unsurpassed by competitors for a couple of years until they catch up with newer designs. It’s enjoyed rave reviews by consumers and airplane nerds love it. Delta has already bought a bunch and I look f…

Post by slavak » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 9:39 PM UTC

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Well, for Airbus there is this where it looks like problems were swept under the rug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296 ... though from the same era, there is this for Boeing which seems much worse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

> for Airbus there is this where it looks like problems were swept under the rug Or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_72 This is the same basic design flaw that Boeing's MCAS has (allowing a single AoA sensor failure to cause the airplane to do unexpected and dangerous things), but unlike MCAS, it wasn't an ad hoc addition to deal with an issue in a redesign of an old airplane, it was designed into al…

Post by snowwrestler » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

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I'm sure Boeing would have loved to have those orders, but 50 planes is not catastrophic. In terms of the aircraft group, Boeing has steadily growing 787 orders and deliveries, with about 500 orders yet to deliver. In terms of their space program, they are close to testing their manned capsule and just got a light touch program review, while SpaceX got put through the ringer. And there are other aspects to Boeing tha…

787 orders and deliveries are very nice, but the bread and butter of Boeing and Airbus remains the 737 and A320 families. As you say Boeing has 500 orders for 787 yet to deliver, but they most importantly have 4,500 of the 737 remaining to deliver. Same for Airbus, they have about 600 orders for the A350 yet to deliver, but they most importantly have over 6,000 A320 in the pipeline. The biggest issue for Boeing is th…

Post by usr1106 » Wed, Dec 04, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

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It lost them money but it didn't hurt their brand. Those are great planes to fly in as a passenger, they're just not profitable in the end for Airbus. Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies, and may have killed off the 737 line for good. Think another revision after the MAX is ever going to be approved?

The 737 needs to go away. It's a great plane from a different era (staircases instead of jetways). That era has long passed. They've been trying to shoehorn it in. Rather than scale up the 737 cockpit flight controls they could have scaled down the 777 cockpit. Or even developed an all new one license cockpit in the same vein as the A320 series.