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United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by tempguy9999 »

qaq wrote: post #113
socialdemocrat wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Europe has not legalized corruption to the same degree as the US. Massive campaign contributions is not as common in Europe, hence large European multi-nationals likely don't have the same opportunity to change regulations to serve them. Of course they can still influence politicians by talking about all the jobs they will provide etc. Also power in Europe is not centralized the same way as it is in the US. I…

Looking at how Gazprom is buying EU politicians wholesale ...

Could you provide a link?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by dbcurtis »

jussij wrote: post #88
dbcurtis wrote: post #33

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I have been thinking about how to implement that after the MAX starts flying again. Flight search interfaces don’t seem to filter on equipment. And of course, equipment gets changed at times, so you may book one aircraft and have a different one swapped in on the ramp. I wonder if after you have checked in, and the airline swaps in a MAX, if you can get credit for your ticket if you refuse to board a MAX? I would gue…

> Flight search interfaces don’t seem to filter on equipment. I suspect this is going to change as booking web sites can use that feature as a selling point. Here in Australia just recently I booked a flight for mid December and was very surprised to see the type of aircraft listed on the bookings page. Now that I have seen this information, I myself will be expecting to see this information and will happily change b…

> > Flight search interfaces don’t seem to filter on equipment.

> I suspect this is going to change as booking web sites can use that feature as a selling point.

I hope you are right. Google flights might add a filter. But will Southwest add it to their own site?

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

CydeWeys wrote: post #62
rsynnott wrote: post #54

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I mean, it wasn’t a safety scandal, but the A380 was a huge disaster for the company. I’d be more comfortable getting on a notional A360 than a notional 797, but both companies have self-harmed recently.

It lost them money but it didn't hurt their brand. Those are great planes to fly in as a passenger, they're just not profitable in the end for Airbus. Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies, and may have killed off the 737 line for good. Think another revision after the MAX is ever going to be approved?

>Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies

The 787 is the newest airframe and it's fine. The 737 is the Windows XP of the sky and there's only so much you can fix with service packs.

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Post by yardie »

CydeWeys wrote: post #62
rsynnott wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it wasn’t a safety scandal, but the A380 was a huge disaster for the company. I’d be more comfortable getting on a notional A360 than a notional 797, but both companies have self-harmed recently.

It lost them money but it didn't hurt their brand. Those are great planes to fly in as a passenger, they're just not profitable in the end for Airbus. Boeing can't even keep its newest plane in the skies, and may have killed off the 737 line for good. Think another revision after the MAX is ever going to be approved?

The 737 needs to go away. It's a great plane from a different era (staircases instead of jetways). That era has long passed. They've been trying to shoehorn it in. Rather than scale up the 737 cockpit flight controls they could have scaled down the 777 cockpit. Or even developed an all new one license cockpit in the same vein as the A320 series.

Re: United orders 50 new Airbus long-range jets to replace Boeing 757s

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Post by Aloha »

whatshisface wrote: post #7

America is going to pay for the cronyism that merged every airplane manufacturer into one and eliminated internal competition. If you don't have internal competition, you'll collapse in the face of external competition. There is no way to get away from Boeing without getting away from the American aerospace industry entirely, a problem that didn't exist back when McDonnell Douglas was around.

This has very little to do with that. McDonnel Douglass had no equivalent to the 757 really either. (The MD-11 was a suitable replacement for the 767, if you wanted a 3-hole aircraft)

I'm absolutely certain that if Boeing was making a 757NG like aircraft, United would have bought those. When it comes down to it, Boeing has no direct replacement for the 757. Airbus does, so United bought airbus.

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Post by disintegore »

wenc wrote: post #66
rootusrootus wrote: post #5

My takeaway is that Airbus and Boeing both need to make progress on their clean-sheet midsize designs. The A321XLR sounds great but it's kinda what Boeing has been doing to the 737, milking it for decades. The A320 is a newer design, for sure, but it's not young. I won't miss the 737. What I'd love to see is a twin-aisle-but-small short range aircraft. Yeah, that won't happen, but it would be comfy.

The Airbus A220 (formerly the Bombardier C-Series) is a clean sheet design and by most accounts, one of the best designs of its class today. It widely considered to be a next generation commercial aircraft, and will be unsurpassed by competitors for a couple of years until they catch up with newer designs. It’s enjoyed rave reviews by consumers and airplane nerds love it. Delta has already bought a bunch and I look f…

IIRC, Boeing muscled the C-Series out of the market with race-to-the-bottom tactics, which eventually led to the Airbus acquisition of the program. If Airbus manages to meet its targets with the A220 this might constitute in ironic justice.

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

throw0101a wrote: post #92
joking wrote: post #82

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the a400m plane has been a brand failure, it's military and on a different league than civilian planes however.

And how has the KC-46 done compared to the A330 MRTT?

Per a quick check of Wikipedia it seems like they're about equal.

The KC46 is being fielded by the US and a few nations that the US traditionally use the same arms.

The A330 is fielded by the UK, a couple commonwealth nations and KSA

Total number built is in the 30s for both.

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Post by adventured »

roymurdock wrote: post #118

It will be interesting how Boeing/Airbus/traditional carriers react when China fully enters the market with Comac-built/branded planes. Commercial flights of its first plane, the C919 are slated for 2021. The whole 737 MAX fiasco really came at a bad time for the US aerospace industry, and if the other comments about Airbus being just as bad culture-wise are true (profits/jobs over serious engineering), then China co…

What happens in that case is simple and obvious: the existing global trade barriers and protectionism will get worse.

The US will move to lock Airbus and China out of its massive, wildly profitable domestic airline market through protectionism. Which is exactly what China is guaranteed to do, either directly or indirectly, as it pushes its own airplane manufacturing efforts to the forefront in the pursuit of its economic self-interest.

How many Soviet-made jet planes did the US buy from 1950 to 1990?

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Post by dboreham »

davidhyde wrote: post #8

What is keeping Boeing's share price so stable in the wake of such catastrophic news for the company this year?

In analyzing a stock price you need to look at what other people perceive about it, which is not the same as objective facts. So in this case it tells us that other people don't think the company's sales will be hurt much. I believe they are wrong (and sold most of my Boeing stock right after the second crash) but only time will tell.

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Post by ahartmetz »

alexis_fr wrote: post #116
ahartmetz wrote: post #37

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It seems like Airbus currently is different. Maybe the friction from it being very multinational prevented it from becoming like Boeing, maybe it will have its own big scandal in a month. Who knows. But currently, Airbus does look better.

Airbus scandal won’t come “in a month”: Boeing’s problems became public in 2013 and it is the same problem over and over. - The Ducommon airframes in 2013, problem is FAA delegated certification to Boeing, - The batteries, albeit smaller, - The MAX, 2 crashes due to oversight and to the FAA delegating certification to Boeing. Boeing’s problem didn’t come in a day, but in 20 years since the merge with MD, who had the…

Well, for Airbus there is this where it looks like problems were swept under the rug https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296

... though from the same era, there is this for Boeing which seems much worse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

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