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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by bdcravens »

burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

Google also pays Apple a significant sum ($12B in 2019: https://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-en...) to be the search engine default.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by gwern »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #176
gwern wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be nice to simplify underline links tremendously once that becomes implemented in IE/Edge & Safari. The existing methods for avoiding underlines overlapping text descenders like Tufte-CSS's method ( https://github.com/edwardtufte/tufte-css ) are kinda crazy looking, and also cause the occasional bug with text highlighting.

Do people actually want it? Technological limitation or not, this is how things have been both in print and digital for as long as I can remember. Not to mention handwriting. I still find the non-overlapping underline weird (even if kind of neat).

I think people do; it's popular enough that many people implement it, not just Tufte-CSS, it was one of the first things I added to gwern.net once I saw it demoed, I believe Medium also does it, and no one's complained to me that they really like the overlapping obscuration.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by TheKarateKid »

FreeFull wrote: post #155
johnchristopher wrote: post #144

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Oh, please. You make it sound like Mozilla is equivalent to Facebook. Is that a smear campaign ? You can donate to the Mozilla foundation. Have you ? Have you convinced your company or your friends to do so ? Because that's a better alternative than outright singling Mozilla out for their ties to Google. Which last time I checked didn't make the user the product of Google like Chrome or Android does.

Firefox is developed by the Mozilla Corporation (a subsidiary of the Foundation). Money donated towards the Foundation doesn't go towards Firefox development. The Corporation has it's own income sources (including money from Google), and actually a lot of money from the Corporation ends up going to the Foundation, to further the mission of "Making web free".

Didn't this change in recent years? Hence why Firefox is not distributed via the Mozilla.org domain instead of the .com?

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by autoexec »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #240
deogeo wrote: post #234

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> I'd rather things be direct. I'd rather we live in a world where customers paid directly for the product and I was the customer (not the product). You don't have that choice - what happens is you pay and become the product. Cable TV used to be ad-free, since you paid for it, then they figured out they can make more money selling ads. There are ads on the buses and subways, even though you have to pay for tickets. W…

> You pay for a TV, yet 'smart' features get included, that spy on you and show you ads. I've heard about this, but what exactly does this mean? I have a smart TV, but I never see ads. Supposedly it's spying on me, but how is it spying on me any more than the Netflix and Hulu subscriptions I already pay for? This is not meant to sound defensive - I do believe it's too good to be true that my TV is as wonderful as I t…

In addition to the "ACR" issue mentioned, smart TVs have been caught throwing up pop-up ads anytime a person changes volume (including over movies/games) and scanning attached media (laptops, hard drives, USB sticks) and sending lists of all accessible files and folders back to the manufacture. Samsung in particular has been pretty shitty with ads and spying.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by frereubu »

frenchyatwork wrote: post #89
frereubu wrote: post #74

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Don't want to rain on your parade, but this is a long way from being generally available: https://caniuse.com/#search=text-decoration-thickness 11% coverage, and almost all of that is iOS Safari.

This is one of these cases though, were coverage doesn't really matter. The fall-back is fairly reasonable.

That's true, but if I used all CSS properties with this amount of coverage it would cause a lot of extra work for very little gain. If this is something that really gets your goat, and you use Firefox, perhaps it's worth it to scratch the itch, but otherwise pretty useless currently.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by throw0101a »

rusk wrote: post #133
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> Without Google's ad business Firefox wouldn't exist Really? My recollection of events 15 years ago is a little hazy, but wasnt FF a browser-only release of Mozilla, itself Netscape which has been around as long as time itself (~25 years?) What are we talking about here? There was very definitely a push around 2003 to get FF adopted en masse, and I guess Google probably were a big factor in this ... Bit of a stretch…

> ... but wasnt FF a browser-only release of Mozilla ...

Basically. Netscape Navigator was a large suite of functionality, including mail and NNTP. FF, originally "Phoenix", started off as a browser only.

It was light enough that I compiled it from source via Ports on my FreeBSD 4 (?) machine, and don't recall it taking too long.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by SnowingXIV »

How does Firefox Lockwise compare to 1Password and how does the ad/tracking protection compare to using Chrome with uBlock Origin?

I do like how Firefox you can set to never auto play audio or video but the chrome flag does not seem to prevent that. Haven't really given Firefox a chance in easier and am pretty married to Chrome (especially with switching profiles between work, personal that works very well).

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by GrayShade »

pmontra wrote: post #230
tomaskafka wrote: post #219

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> One thing that Safari is incredibly good at (and its' engineers are proud of) is the ability to reduce resource consumption for non-active tabs and windows to nearly zero. I understand this is rare, but I just have a very very hard time understanding what is so hard about this. Page not visible? Just stop it. Stop the layout engine, stop the javascript VM. If there was a transfer in progress, let it finish, a page…

YouTube music video running in another tab. Should it stop render the video and keep playing the audio? Maybe feasible but it should keep receiving both the video and audio data. Stop all of it? Not what I wish to happen.

Firefox does stop rendering videos in background tabs (or used to, at least). You can see it take a couple of frames to restart.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by cfallin »

deogeo wrote: post #234
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> I'd rather things be direct. I'd rather we live in a world where customers paid directly for the product and I was the customer (not the product). You don't have that choice - what happens is you pay and become the product. Cable TV used to be ad-free, since you paid for it, then they figured out they can make more money selling ads. There are ads on the buses and subways, even though you have to pay for tickets. W…

> what happens is you pay and become the product

I remember the first time I saw an ad on the in-flight entertainment system on a plane. (I think it might have been United, but they all do it now...) This and the shilling for their special miles-reward credit card, while you're literally captive (in a tube in the air), having paid to be there, is pretty much the epitome of hypercapitalism-gone-wrong today.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by dstaley »

Klonoar wrote: post #224

Switching to CoreAnimation is very, very nice - however, this still doesn't feel quite at home on macOS because of a bug that's pretty old at this point. Overflow/rubberband scrolling needs to be added here, because that is how scrolling is supposed to work on macOS. If you don't have it, you feel very alien. I'm not entirely sure why this isn't fixed after all these years, especially since Chrome managed to do it -…

Firefox still doesn't render native OS elements like select boxes and right-click menus, so I have little faith overflow scrolling will ever be fixed.
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