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8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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4chan has been mainstream for very long now. Just check Alexa and similar sites for stats. But boards are on subdomain and and also nsfw boards are separated. I've seen young people so much browsing 4chan in public, also discussing it. I'm talking about school or university environment. When I was young and actually had time or will to take part if imageboards, I did it at home and secret. No one wanted to admit or m…

>When I was young and actually had time or will to take part if imageboards, I did it at home and secret. No one wanted to admit or mention it in public. Everything has changed now. Because newfags ruined everything. 4chan used to be amazing, especially /b/ and their memes (I'm talking 2008is)

They were saying that same thing in 2008, that it had been ruined by newcomers.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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...how have things gotten objectively worse for young men?

There's a huge wage gap with young women outearning men. The number of poor young men is getting higher. Men are increasingly less educated relatively. https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/B03E1C0B-B635-456... Oh and literally everything is mens fault. Now actually I agree that a lot of this is individual mens faults but theres also something cultural and societal that we need to address as a society

I think part of the problem here is when articles like that like to use titles such as:

"Young women are getting richer, as young men get poorer-

More millennial men are earning less, even with the gender pay gap in their favor, the U.S. Census Bureau reports"

This isn't a men vs women thing. It's a young adult thing, and like you said it's something cultural and societal. The fact that young women are getting educated is a victory for everyone, but MarketWatch would rather use it as social justice bait.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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“It's right to learn, even from the enemy.” - Ovid. If you do not learn what motivates an extremist you will not be able to prevent other extremists from committing similar acts.

I think we are all well aware of what motivates these killers by now. Giving them more of a platform and audience won’t reduce their murders - it will bring them more followers.

Are we? Because articles such as this seem to blame 8chan and 4chan (they never mention the rest of the site which has stuff from /g which is GNU stuff and the transexual and gay communities on there). Back in the 90s they blamed Doom, Heavy metal and Rap music. In the 1950s and 60s they blamed horror / slasher comics.

As for giving them a platform and an audience bringing more followers, firstly this is terminology used for justify soft censorship. Secondly in the UK back in 2010 Nick Griffin (a notorious anti-semite/racist and leader of the BNP) was allowed to speak on Question Time (a very popular show on the BBC). Afterwards we didn't hear from the BNP again because the ideas were exposed for what they were. The BNP party is effectively dead in the UK.

Almost every-time one of these racists are actually spoken to the vast majority of the population reject their message. Every-time it is repressed these ideas resurface because these people create their own echo-chambers and makes these ideas sexy as they are considered taboo.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#254

I think that technology has brought us some truly marvelous things. But they also enable us to avoid casual social contact while enabling us to withdraw from meaningful social contact. Online anonymity permits endless Sybil attacks -- helping turn communities' frustration from anger and rage into violence. I'm guessing/assuming that 8chan is an anything goes censorship free community (like 4chan was/is?). And maybe i…

Interesting that a google search for "8chan" doesn't return a link to it anywhere on the first page of results (for me).

It's been, along with some other *chans, scrubbed from Google search results for quite some time now.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens. Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists wer…

I'm in the UK, not sure I see much extremism here really. We have the brexit party I suppose, but that's not so much extremist as just weirdly conservative.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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There's a huge wage gap with young women outearning men. The number of poor young men is getting higher. Men are increasingly less educated relatively. https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/B03E1C0B-B635-456... Oh and literally everything is mens fault. Now actually I agree that a lot of this is individual mens faults but theres also something cultural and societal that we need to address as a society

I think part of the problem here is when articles like that like to use titles such as: "Young women are getting richer, as young men get poorer- More millennial men are earning less, even with the gender pay gap in their favor, the U.S. Census Bureau reports" This isn't a men vs women thing. It's a young adult thing, and like you said it's something cultural and societal. The fact that young women are getting educat…

Thats not how I read it at all. It is of course great young women are being educated. However, if you women are more educated than young men then it is possible for the 'average years of education' stat to be going up while the corresponding stat for men is going down.

It would be odd to say that 'young men are less educated than the average young person' because men and women essentially completely partition the space of persons. It is obvious if young men are less educated than the average young person that women would have to be more educated than them.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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To people dowvoting parent: please google gamergate Charlottenville

Not only is there no connection between pro-gamergate and threats, it's literally the other way round. And Charlottesville has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever

Ah yes, the old "no you" argument.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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“It's right to learn, even from the enemy.” - Ovid. If you do not learn what motivates an extremist you will not be able to prevent other extremists from committing similar acts.

I think we are all well aware of what motivates these killers by now. Giving them more of a platform and audience won’t reduce their murders - it will bring them more followers.

We have a good idea what motivates them. Here's some quotes from professionals:

From Katherine Newman, a sociologist at Johns Hopkins University: "In general their social experience is not one of easy incorporation, ...Rather than wanting to be alone, many mass shooters have a history of struggling to connect. They experience rejection by their peers or they draw back from potential friendships, assuming they'll be rejected if they try. They believe they're perceived as insigificant."

And from Dr James Knoll, forensic psychiatrist with expertise in mass murders:

"The mass murderer is an injustice collector who spends a great deal of time feeling resentful about real or imagined rejections and ruminating on past humiliations. He has a paranoid worldview with chronic feelings of social persecution, envy, and grudge-holding. He is tormented by beliefs that privileged others are enjoying life’s all-you-can-eat buffet, while he must peer through the window, an outside loner always looking in.

"Aggrieved and entitled, he longs for power and revenge to obliterate what he cannot have. Since satisfaction is unobtainable lawfully and realistically, the mass murderer is reduced to violent fantasy and pseudo-power. He creates and enacts an odious screenplay of grandiose and public retribution. Like the child who upends the checkerboard when he does not like the way the game is going, he seeks to destroy others for apparent failures to recognize and meet his needs. Fury, deep despair, and callous selfishness eventually crystalize into fantasies of violent revenge on a scale that will draw attention. The mass murderer typically expects to die and frequently does in what amounts to a mass homicide-personal suicide. He may kill himself or script matters so that he will be killed by the police."

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them Don't go there. Don't say mass shooters aren't at fault. The thing is, you don't need to. Both things can be true -- life is hard and unfair for certain people in certain ways, and that in the aggregate is bound to lead to more mass killings and other negative effects like suicide.. and the ones who decide to kill inno…

Why would you equate "young men" to "mass shooters" ? You literally took the quoted sentence out of context.

That's what we're talking about... It's in the title of the article.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

#260

...how have things gotten objectively worse for young men?

It's very hard to find a partner nowadays. In the past, people dated within the local community, so women were limited to their local dating pool. With the advent of online dating, women can afford to be choosy and pick from guys all over the country, if not even all over the world. As a result, many men that would have found someone in the past are going to be lonely nowadays. Now, the obvious reply to that is "but…

I felt this way when I used the standard gamut of dating apps, but as time went on I realized everyone kinda hates it. It's weird that we all sort of unconsciously agreed that this was now the "main" way to meet.

I've found that broadening my horizons and communicating clearly go a long way in this new swipe right world.

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