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Tulsi Gabbard Sues Google for Suspending Ad Account

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Post by moultano »

einpoklum wrote: post #248
moultano wrote: post #90

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I work at Google on ranking algorithms for Search. I'm aware of everything that controls how web pages are ranked. If I ever encountered a system that was designed to alter the results for political reasons, I would resign.

You sir, are a liar: https://www.blog.google/products/search/our-latest-quality-i... That is by Google's VP of Search, Ben Gomes. That's your boss, supposedly. So, Human evaluators flag content in general ("low quality"); and particularly, remove or down-rate content which Google determines to be "fake news", as Gomes puts it. and some of the results: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/19/goog-s19.html Consorti…

Those ratings are used to evaluate the search system, not to change it directly.

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Post by travmatt »

einpoklum wrote: post #246
compuguy wrote: post #232

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That's what I do in general with articles. Russia Today has a pretty consistent and documented history of being a propaganda outlet for the Russian government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_cla...

The Wikipedia article says that _critics_ of RT regard it as a propaganda outlet... which is not quite what you said. TBH though, RT has a bunch of Russian-angle propaganda in some of its shows. Those are mostly the shows hosted by actual Russians, or with Russian/living-in-Russia panelists; and their newscasts. Other shows, particularly those by non-Russian journalists/creators, aren't like that. Of course, it is a…

Russia Today has had multiple journalists resign, citing they could not support their propaganda efforts in good conscience. One journalist resigned on air, apologizing for “whitewashing Putin's action” in downing mh17. Another resigned rather than leave the safety of the US and travel to Russian occupied Crimea. To act like these are commonplace occurrences in journalism strains credulity.

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

einpoklum wrote: post #246
compuguy wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what I do in general with articles. Russia Today has a pretty consistent and documented history of being a propaganda outlet for the Russian government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_cla...

The Wikipedia article says that _critics_ of RT regard it as a propaganda outlet... which is not quite what you said. TBH though, RT has a bunch of Russian-angle propaganda in some of its shows. Those are mostly the shows hosted by actual Russians, or with Russian/living-in-Russia panelists; and their newscasts. Other shows, particularly those by non-Russian journalists/creators, aren't like that. Of course, it is a…

They've just been fined by the UK broadcasting regulator for systemic and repeated bias in reporting the Novichok poisonings, and withdrawing their broadcast licence was considered.

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Post by perl4ever »

anm89 wrote: post #215
perl4ever wrote: post #154

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You know, when someone wants to buy a public company, Joe Schmoe doesn't get to say "I'm only selling my 10 shares for $1 million apiece!" Is this an outrageous affront to property rights, or is it something you just take for granted because you don't see the connection to the government?

What???This is totally incoherent. Yes that's exactly how it works. Joe can ask for whatever price he wants and if he doesn't get that price then he has to keep holding the asset. An individual asking an unfair price for stock they own would not hold up the sale of other shares in the company in most (all?) cases unless they are the primary stake holder

Typically, if the shareholders vote to accept an offer by someone to buy a public company, everyone including the people who were against it is involuntarily cashed out at the price that was accepted by the majority.

This is a pretty common experience for anyone who owns growth stocks. It's why you can't just get rich by finding a fantastic public company, it has to stay public and independent.

Common sense should tell you that there must be some mechanism to deal with holdouts any time a collective action problem is overcome.

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Post by minhazm »

fuzz4lyfe wrote: post #228
beachy wrote: post #188

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Actually there are 791 presidential candidates according to https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020#Declar... . Yes, most of them are probably not "real candidates", but Google would be in even hotter water if they tried to predetermine who was and who wasn't a real candidate.

Google spent 3.5 million lobbying so far this year and 21 million last year. They know exactly who is a "real candidate"[0] [0] https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D00006782...

It's not up to them to decide who's real or not. It also opens up an easy to exploit situation where I can just claim to be running for president and I get some whitelist applied and could do some nefarious things.

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Post by hkai »

slg wrote: post #9

It might be more appropriate to link to a indepdent article about this rather than Gabbard's site. Here is one from The Verge [1]. It sounds like Google's fraud/spam algorithms automatically triggered the suspension (maybe due to a large increase in spend meant to build on Gabbard's post debate momentum). The account was unlocked after human intervention. Gabbard insinuates the initial suspension was politically moti…

In the leaked emails in 2016, Tulsi Gabbard was threatened by Democratic party officials that she would be cut off from the Dem's fundraising and shut out in other ways, and given Google's support for the Democratic party, it doesn't seem highly improbable (although still unlikely).

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Post by dralley »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #217
dralley wrote: post #162

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Yes, because he's literally done exactly that many times, and lost lawsuits over it.

Ok, prove that they are fake.

Do your own research, it's not like documentation of his bullshit is hard to find.

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Post by nailer »

kspacewalk wrote: post #185
nailer wrote: post #169

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Keep on mind the top post is recommending we read a Vox media site.

Vox is not a conspiracy theory laden government propaganda outlet.

Vox is a conspiracy theory laden non-goverment propaganda outlet.

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Post by ctdonath »

rhcom2 wrote: post #192
ctdonath wrote: post #82

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Project Veritas has a long record of collecting large sums in judgement against those who make such libelous accusations without proof.

I couldn't find any lawsuits they've won, just them getting lawsuits against them dismissed. And information about James O'Keefe pleading guilty to breaking into a Senator's office.

https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/115837860224274022...

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Post by ctdonath »

joshuamorton wrote: post #205
ctdonath wrote: post #128

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One case, poorly phrased, is hardly a "long list".

More than zero, which is the number of libel cases that O'keefe as won and gotten a payout from. (this is opposed to a number which he hasn't lost, because plaintiffs didn't win, but he was the defendant. But these didn't give him any payout)

https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/115837860224274022...
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