I couldn't understand anything. What sort of woman was disinvited and why others were uncomfortable with her?
He danced around that so much I feel like something is being hidden (besides somebody’s identity).
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
should we be aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing?
If you searched for this, you would find multiple programs trying to do just that. The difference is that it doesn't make the news because there isn't a reactionary movement which sees that as an existential threat.
Nobody thinks that women entering tech is an existential threat. If you think that’s the issue, it’s no wonder you can’t figure out why this is so counterproductive. In fact, you probably haven’t even realized the damage you are doing to your own cause.
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was my takeaway - she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her. He's finding that he doesn't like it.
Did we read the same article? He turned her speaker position down because of her pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior. She acted completely in line with what her reputation would suggest and pursued a personal harassment campaign. Maybe I'm missing something. Can you enumerate what he allowed people to do to her, and what she did to him? That way we can compare directly.
That isn’t mentioned anywhere in the linked article.
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably controversial views on the internet, ie. nothing actually bad.
I'm going to make a wild guess that it was more than that, given that they were the type of person to harass the conference organizer after the fact.
To be fair, most of the harassment allegations were vague and not even alleged to be perpetrated by the woman who was disinvited (like “a famous hacker knows her, and my Signal started doing weird things”).
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#255The conference scene feels like such a hostile environment. I have my own reasons for not being interested in speaking, but even absent that, my desire to avoid anything resembling the above is much stronger than whatever desire to have people listen to me talk about computers. And that's just speaking; organizing is something I would never do, and really can't imagine how people put up with it. There is a conference…
> The conference scene feels like such a hostile environment. It's a hostile environment either way - even the male speaker in this whole drama was widely known as "a male chauvinist who persecutes and intimidates women at sector conferences" - which is why he was so unwelcome in the first place! But sunlight is the best disinfectant - throw out with prejudice ANYONE who is publicly known to engage in intimidating be…
It was a woman who was disinvited.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you searched for this, you would find multiple programs trying to do just that. The difference is that it doesn't make the news because there isn't a reactionary movement which sees that as an existential threat.
There isn't a reactionary movement that sees "women in tech" as an existential threat. The "reactionaries" you're alluding to are properly known as "liberals" or "egalitarians".
Gah, I realize that I think I was unclear. I didn’t mean “liberals and egalitarians are reactionaries”, but rather the people who are critical of tech diversity quotas are often motivated by liberal and egalitarian beliefs. Hopefully that’s clearer if not more agreeable.
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#257“We also talked with the organizers of other conferences and with dev that are part of gender groups focalized in technology and all of them recommended us to take distance from them.” Experience tells me author is probably in the wrong here based on this sentence alone. This screams of those extreme lefties that want to police everybody else with their safe spaces and trigger warnings, then deplatform and unperson a…
One can be justifiably angry without becoming completely unhinged. I have no idea who was actually in the wrong here, but I would tend to side with the person making the calm, measured response. All things being equal, if someone acts nuts, they probably are.
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.
We should totally create a bias toward minorities for things like speaking engagements. And also - that imbalance will always be there. It's so well documented at researched at this point that the imbalance is at least partially driven by differences in fundamental interests between genders ("things" vs "people"). You see this with nurses just as much as you see it with engineers. But, these are all averages and dist…
> partially driven by differences in fundamental interests between genders
I haven't actively looked for studies in this but I'm curious if these "fundamental" interests are somewhat partially driven by how society or people view them based on their sex. That is, get in them interested in certain things based on what the individual/society believes that their sex "should" be doing.
These kind of things could certainly push people towards a certain interest.
Then again, this is a nature/nurture talk. I personally find it hard to believe that women "naturally" prefer going into nursing compared to men - without sarcasm, I think the lack of male nurses is part due to how society views "men" in the nursing field which is steeped in sexism (i.e it's a "girly" job only for women).
I believe it was often the opinion at the time that nursing roles were delegated to women, societal opinion was veered towards that and you have kind of a "generational opinion/bias" forming. Nowadays, you (not you; in general) see the ratio is still quite different but you think this is now due to fundamental interests instead of any form a social (something; missing a word here). Anyhow this is all just speculating off of my opinion
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you searched for this, you would find multiple programs trying to do just that. The difference is that it doesn't make the news because there isn't a reactionary movement which sees that as an existential threat.
Nobody thinks that women entering tech is an existential threat. If you think that’s the issue, it’s no wonder you can’t figure out why this is so counterproductive. In fact, you probably haven’t even realized the damage you are doing to your own cause.
> Nobody thinks that women entering tech is an existential threat.
let me tell you dude, some people see it as one (and have told me as much). Tech is their thing and me coming in as a woman who sees this as a good career choice and not something where I can essentially get paid for my hobby aggravates them. I'm ruining their "safe, nerdy space", essentially.
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#260How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.
The person that threatened the author of the post and everyone around him is a well known asshole from the Argentinian InfoSec community. He is a bad person that created a hostile environment for several women that are in IT (I am sure that for other people too). He stalked, discriminate, insulted, threatened and more. There is a lot of people that talked with the former speaker about this person in a moment of their…
'Several women' which one? the one that falsely accused him of rape and now will have to sell her house to pay him for damages? Are we talking about the same person here? The girl that cannot go to feminist meetings and Argentine Hacklabs anymore because she was unmasked as an agent of police intelligence?
Everybody in Argentina knows what she and her friends used to do in conferences, how she manipulate people to do her bidding (like the poor bastard here) how many people they had put behind bars, they have nothing to do with infosec. The guy was the only one that legally fought them and won, now it is time to pay, and this is their last desperate stand.