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Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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We’re talking about data collection and usage, not possibilities in the universe.

Exactly, which is why I'd be more interested in concrete commonalities of slippery slopes that were actually realized, and not just a general "history has plenty of slippery slopes".

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Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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I prefer that all my software is installed and updated in one fell swoop, with one single package manager, instead of requiring myriad installers, uninstallers, and update daemons that run in the background for practically each and every program, just sitting there wasting CPU cycles. If you dislike outdated software, try switching to a Testing or Unstable version of your operating system, or choosing a distro that p…

Distribution maintained packages are a really bad idea. You start to realize this once you are not in control of the box you are working on (have no root access). Suddenly you are faced with CentOS 6.5 because some proprietary piece of software depends on a specific gcc version / libc version. Or you can't upgrade the cluster easily because parts of the legacy code depends on specific package versions (boost, gcc). S…

I understand that you feel powerless and miss your own home PC where you are free to do what you like. However, the same could be true for software where you install by clicking if someone locked it so that you don't have administrator access and then neglected the system.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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No, you don't need to do that, but if you don't, you should realise that that results in biased data, and thus influences the focus of development. If you have an alternative other than "the developers should just magically guess what would make users happy", then I'd be happy to hear it, but otherwise, that's just the way the world works, and thus that's the trade-off you will have to make.

Then less people will use there new version. If they want to rely on this one datasource only be prepared to have it gamed or not reflect reality.

Well, again, it'd be great to hear what other information they should rely on other than magically guessing what people want.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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That is exactly right. Almost no one would turn it on if it were off by defauly, which makes data collected by those few users strongly biased against general users and their usage patterns. (Meaning that the data you do collect will be useless.) This is literally the only reason that telemetry is almost always on by default. There is no illuminati secretly buying developers to learn your secrets via application tele…

If people turn it off when they have a choice, and only leave it on when they are unaware it exists then obviously there is a problem. I don't see how it is laughable to be paranoid in this case.

isn't paranoia by definition irrational?

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Honestly, yes. More than Microsoft.

Why would trust them? honest question. VSCode is more transparent as any other open source project it can be, yet people still have that Microsoft stigma for years ago. To me is just blatant paranoia. I would not trust an installer from a third party without knowing what was really changed, that's scary as hell if you ask me. Just look at the bootstrap 4 backdoor that was introduced but luckily was caught.

Ah, that's because you are on an untrusted platform in the first place. There is no "installer" on ubuntu, so it's actually easy to verify if the package we got really came from the sources we see in github. But vscode packages are explicitly different from the code by those proprietary additions during build. We have to trust them that they only add telemetry. One very important feature of open-source is that you don't have to trust. Adding this proprietary blackbox completely removes that factor. Not to mention, I really don't want telemetry on my code and this wouldn't be the first time Microsoft let you disable something only to be later revealed that it was still sending.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Why in the hell would I trust anyone telling me not to trust them?

That makes no sense. You are moving from trusting Microsoft, which has actual skin in the game, to random people on the Internet that don't.

Plus Microsoft. Because it's still their code underneath it all. So it's not like VSCodium actually solves anything...

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Everyone is focusing on telemetry being turned off by default, but I think the real benefit of VSCodium is that it doesn’t force you to agree to the non-free license https://code.visualstudio.com/License/ that comes with standard VS Code (which is different from the MIT license in the repo, https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/blob/master/LICENSE.txt). See the issue https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/17996 for discussion of the problems with that license.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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If people turn it off when they have a choice, and only leave it on when they are unaware it exists then obviously there is a problem. I don't see how it is laughable to be paranoid in this case.

isn't paranoia by definition irrational?

I suppose not when it is rational to be paranoid.
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