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Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_... No, that still falls into fallacious usage. The user doesn't justify why the steps of their assertion follow after the other. Just that they... do.

Overwhelming empirical data across history.

That’s proof of existence of slippery slopes, not of prevelance of hypothetical slippery slopes being realized.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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post #37

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_... No, that still falls into fallacious usage. The user doesn't justify why the steps of their assertion follow after the other. Just that they... do.

No one needs to justify the "why" when we're talking about a very well trodden slippery slope.

Fallacies don't just stop applying when it's convenient to elide justification.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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This is great.

I think I would be okay with companies like Microsoft collecting data on me if they make it more clear what data they are collecting, what they’re using the data for, having the ability to disable data collection (defaulted to disable preferably), and being able to download and have a guid to understand my own data.

As a dev myself I know all of that is difficult and sounds ridiculous, but I really do think we have a right to the data collected on us and on our behavior. Transparency, ownership, and access, that’s all I ask.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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It is, but people try to get away with it by using a mistakenly committed config file from a few years back to argue that the URL’s are now MIT’d. The commit was quickly reverted, but they didn’t rewrite history to totally remove it, and now here we are.

That sounds like they legally released it under MIT. They legally can't just revoke a license grant, even completely unpublishing it by rewriting git history wouldn't solve that.

I want Microsoft to share the vscode extensions, but that reasoning seems weird to me. MS is hosting the extensions, they could decide what applications get access to them. But also saying anything published by mistake immediately makes it part of the current state of an open source project seems too violent. Software authors should decide the terms of their software, maybe past versions maintain the license included in them, but they are not eternal, should the author decide so.

If at some point I want to turn my application more commercial friendly by amending the license or changing it completely, and people tell me "No haha sorry you released as MIT at some point so it's now free forever mate" I would get pissed off and stray away from open source altogether. At least this is how the "you can't revoke a license" argument feels to me. But like I said, past versions that include a specific license should still be governed by that license.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Overwhelming empirical data across history.

That’s proof of existence of slippery slopes, not of prevelance of hypothetical slippery slopes being realized.

We’re talking about data collection and usage, not possibilities in the universe.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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post #82

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No one needs to justify the "why" when we're talking about a very well trodden slippery slope.

Fallacies don't just stop applying when it's convenient to elide justification.

That's true. However, we also don't collect history for the fun of it.

Over the course of the last 20 years, we've seen that once a data collection and digital surveillance framework is put in place, the surveillance tends to expand.

Slippery slope arguments, sans good reasoning, tend to be fallacies. However, don't fall into the trap of thinking that an argument backed by historical record is a slippery slope just because it's predicting an outcome. We might call that the "history is all slippery slopes" fallacy. Stating "this has happened before multiple times before, and each time has lead to x" is a very different argument to stating "this has happened, so the logical extrapolation is x".

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Is this needed? You can disable telemetry from the settings: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/FAQ#_how-to-di...

This has been an issue in the past: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/16131 Telemetry not being disabled I have disabled telemetry as described in the FAQ. I have set the following properties in the settings: [..] Now despite of this, when I log my network traffic (with Wireshark) I can see that Visual Studio Code periodically contacts vortex.data.microsoft.com. For the record, Even with: [..] I still see co…

This comment states that's the auto updater endpoint, not telemetry.

https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/16131#issuecommen...

Though there's no explanation for why VS Code continues to ping vortex.d.m.c even after updating is disabled. Hmmm.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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It's not a fallacy. When a printer driver reporting stats back to the manufacturer made national news in the early 2000s and prompted calls for laws regulating privacy, the argument was that it was a slippery slope fallacy to assert that privacy violations would get worse. Look at where we are now.

>>It's not a fallacy. By itself no, but it is often used fallaciously. Such as in this case, when someone is opposing some good thing on the basis that that good thing might, some day, lead to bad things.

Not realizing that many things actually ARE a slippery slope is what has gotten the world into a lot of messes. Nearly every legitimate privacy concern that we have today started out with a legitimate and we'll meaning purpose.

Our entire legal system is predicated on common law precedent. So it is very valid in many cases to argue that allowing something good now, might set us up for something very bad later.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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It's a shame we have to assume the worst. What would be better is for Microsoft to be more transparent about the telemetry and to enable more granular control. That said, I wouldn't bother checking as I don't really care. I rub shoulders with infosec issues daily, as most IT folk do these days. When I think about the perceived risk of telemetry from VSCode, now and in the future it's a negligible risk that I accept.

They are actually very transparent about the telemetry they collect, and they offer granular control. There is a log of all events sent to MS, and a page in settings dedicated to the different types of telemetry they can be enabled.

FWIW, I'm completely comfortable with telemetry, analytics, whatever so long as 1) there's a complete local log and 2) I can opt-out.
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