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Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by throwawayloco » Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 7:42 PM UTC

ezVoodoo wrote: post #168

educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie.

In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of stealing "trade secrets", not independent innovation. Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand.

Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.

So when you or your friends think the US has much to be stolen by China, think twice.

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by EpicEng » Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 8:47 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #245

EpicEng wrote: post #242

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Ask Capone how that worked for him.

Well, he got sick but for average Capone it beats doing 20 to life for other stuff. Edit: are you really suggested that people like John Gotti and El Chapo declare income from criminal activities and detail how they made that once audited? Stop engaging in criminal activities, I get as advice, but confess to the feds, I don't.

>Edit: are you really suggested that people like John Gotti and El Chapo declare income from criminal activities and detail how they made that once audited

No, I'm suggesting one of the examples used in your premise is wrong. The legality of income has nothing to do with paying your taxes from the IRS's perspective.

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 2:27 AM UTC

ezVoodoo wrote: post #168

educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

On HN, it's important to disagree by neutrally providing accurate information. Attacking someone else's comment as a "blatant lie" falls under what the site guidelines refer to as "calling names" and is not ok here. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd appreciate it.

That particularly means avoiding nationalistic flamewar, even on divisive topics where it's hard to resist. Most of all on those topics actually.

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 2:30 AM UTC

cauldron wrote: post #190

ezVoodoo wrote: post #168

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As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

>independent innovation As a Chinese, you may also know the inherent hatred and despisement towards "foreigners" mainly the "white skinned pigs", believing that the "foreigners" deserve anything done to them, it's just payback time for what they had done to the Qing dynasty otherwise China would have "still" been the greatest and most powerful country, right? And the "No matter the cat black or white, it's a good cat…

We've banned this account for abusing HN with nationalistic flamewar and ignoring our requests to stop.

It's really shocking to see material this vitriolic on Hacker News. I hope everyone understands that it's totally unacceptable here, regardless of your views on geopolitics or whatever.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 2:33 AM UTC

scoot_718 wrote: post #211

ezVoodoo wrote: post #168

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As one who speaks Chinese, I find what you said is a blatant lie. In deed, “打破技术封锁” means to break the technical blockade, but by means of independent innovation, not stealing "trade secrets". Given China has the biggest force of engineers and scientists in the world, it is not so hard to understand. Fact check, Huawei is the only full 5G solution provider in the world; whereas no such company can be found in the US.…

That's bullshit. Even Chinese academics in the west don't care about stealing or copying. There's a reason nobody bothers to cite Chinese papers, it's because you should cite the original instead. 5G is a technology without purpose.

Since I scolded someone up thread for saying "blatant lie", I'd better point out that you should just as much drop "That's bullshit" from your comments here, regardless of how wrong another user may be. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and especially note the point about not calling names in arguments.

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 2:34 AM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #53

vkou wrote: post #50

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> Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater > He memorized the designs of textile factory machinery as an apprentice to a pioneer in the British industry before migrating to the United States at the age of…

I don't know who you are or what your agenda is, but any sane person would argue that citing something that happened in early 1800s does not make the same thing OK in 2019.

Please make your arguments on HN without making dark insinuations about agendas.

Also, please drop name-calling language like "any sane person".

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 2:37 AM UTC

Puer wrote: post #92

educationdata wrote: post #23

In China, stealing trade secrets is called “打破技术封锁” (breaking the technical blockade). The U.S. does not even need to collect evidence through investigation. Just by reading Chinese news reports and textbooks, you will find there are lots of Chinese nationalist stories about their hero technician / scientists steal western technologies. They are literally proud of it. I heard from my Chinese friends who work in the U…

Ah yes, more unsubstantiated claims about Chinese tech and culture on HN. Can you back up a single thing you've claimed?

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here regardless of how wrong someone is. And especially please don't post in the flamewar style. I realize it's frustrating to encounter these discussions on the internet, but we need you and everyone here to do better than this.

If you know more than others, post correct information so that readers can learn something. Even if you don't persuade the person you're arguing with, the fair-minded majority will benefit.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 2:38 AM UTC

shard972 wrote: post #84

Taniwha wrote: post #79

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But why would anyone need to do that, you build one of these by starting with a cheap 3d printer and removing the print head, it's not a hard thing to make

Well go tell the Chinese they don't actually need to steal any trade secrets or any of this, they can just make it themselves. I'm sure they will reward you handsomely for basically saving their relationship with western countries and saving so much time and effort.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, and especially please don't post in the flamewar style. Double especially not for nationalistic battle.

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Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by shard972 » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:31 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #258

shard972 wrote: post #84

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Well go tell the Chinese they don't actually need to steal any trade secrets or any of this, they can just make it themselves. I'm sure they will reward you handsomely for basically saving their relationship with western countries and saving so much time and effort.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, and especially please don't post in the flamewar style. Double especially not for nationalistic battle. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've unfortunately posted a ton of unsubstantive and uncivil comments. If you keep doing that we will ban you, so could you please re-read the guidelines and fix that? You might also find these lin…

And the OP wasn't a troll? Or is the bar for intelligent discourse in HN at "Nobody honestly knows why china engadges in IP theft when they could just build it themselves."

Ill edit my comment to be nicer i guess.

Edit: Can't edit the post anymore, oh well people get it anyway, it got 7 up votes, IP theft actually benefits the person that acquires it and ill be willing to debate that anytime.

Re: U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks

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Post by dang » Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 4:33 AM UTC

shard972 wrote: post #259

dang wrote: post #258

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Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, and especially please don't post in the flamewar style. Double especially not for nationalistic battle. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like you've unfortunately posted a ton of unsubstantive and uncivil comments. If you keep doing that we will ban you, so could you please re-read the guidelines and fix that? You might also find these lin…

And the OP wasn't a troll? Or is the bar for intelligent discourse in HN at "Nobody honestly knows why china engadges in IP theft when they could just build it themselves." Ill edit my comment to be nicer i guess. Edit: Can't edit the post anymore, oh well people get it anyway, it got 7 up votes, IP theft actually benefits the person that acquires it and ill be willing to debate that anytime.

I'm doubtful that the OP was trolling. It doesn't really matter, though. Each of us needs to abide by the site guidelines even if others aren't or don't seem to. That's the only way to prevent the bar from slipping further.

Edit: while I have you, can you please not post unsubstantive comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19032367 either? That's more bar slippage and we're hoping to avoid it.