It's like Amazon and Google are competing on evilness.
Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants
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#252It's just another use-case for them I suppose. Interesting to see how, as tech companies become bigger, they go the same way as companies in all the other industries. I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed.
Stupid question. I actually am a big fan of no borders but what's wrong with this? Seems like America entering the new millennium. Edited also why was this downvoted?
"Edited also why was this downvoted?"
I downvoted you because you talked about your downvotes.
Please don't interrupt the discussion to meta-discuss the scoring system.
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is wrong. Kinetic energy is not what kills you. Force is not what kills you (the human body can handle triple digit G forces for a short time). Hitting things in the cabin is what kills you. The only way kinetic energy is related is that it also happens to increase with speed. Using kinetic energy to imply that lethality goes up exponentially with speed is misleading at best.
Are you by any chance one of those people that still believe seat belts are for sissies? Because you can just hold tight to the steering wheel? And yes the kinetic energy per se does not kill you. It's when the kinetic energy gets converted to elastic/inelastic transformation of your head that you die. There is a clear correlation of speed and survivability. See: http://www.humantransport.org/sidewalks/SpeedKills.htm…
>And yes the kinetic energy per se does not kill you. It's when the kinetic energy gets converted to elastic/inelastic transformation of your head that you die. There is a clear correlation of speed and survivability.
Kinetic energy does nothing. NOTHING!
It's all about acceleration (which is roughly interchangeable with force since the mass of the person is constant). The human body can deal with triple digit G forces for a short time (on the order of how long a car crash takes) so long as it's mostly in the forward direction and you have a good harness. They figured this out decades ago when designing escape systems for fighter jets (no point ejecting at Mach 1 if you're gonna get killed when you hit the outside air at that speed).
Of course speed kills when you're talking about hitting pedestrians. When you have several thousand pounds of mass vs a couple hundred the acceleration (and therefore force, because mass is fixes) on the few hundred will depend almost wholly on the speed of the several thousand pounds of mass. It still has exactly nothing to do with kinetic energy. For limited access highways, rural roads and other places pedestrians are not a meaningful concern this is irrelevant.
>Are you by any chance one of those people that still believe seat belts are for sissies?
The people who use straw-men of this caliber in online arguments is a subset of people who should avoid seatbelts if you catch my drift.
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any use of traffic cameras is seen as 'aggressive'. It inevitably results in hundreds of tickets that otherwise wouldn't be written, affecting hundreds of citizens in a way they see as intrusive and 'unfair'. For better or worse.
not disagreeing with the first part of your statement, but, for the second part, a reasonable remedy would be to simply lower the cost of each violation. e.g. if almost everyone got speeding tickets, but they only cost $15 and didn't involve any points against the driver's record or insurance premium hikes, people would simply pay up and probably speed less often. complaints about the injustice of speeding tickets wo…
But that wouldn't satisfy the "if you speed you're Literally Hitler (TM) crowd" who want punishment for minor traffic infractions to be sized for deterrence rather than the actual harm to society.
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The reality is that very few people want to live in that world I suppose I'm in the minority, but I would love to live in a world with fewer impaired drivers and senseless motor vehicle accidents.
Thought further this might lead to a prohibition of manually driven cars and a use of only self-driving cars (talking about the future here). As allways it boils down to freedom vs. security. I think, as long as we all live under the same jurisdiction the only way is to find a balance between the more risk averse and the more risk taking people. We wont find a compromise everyone is happy with, but one that does kind…
>As always it boils down to freedom vs. security.
No it doesn't. Often you give up 10 freedoms for .01 of anything else.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a non-speeder, cyclists here in the U.S. almost never obey the rules of the road.
A big reason for that being that they weren't made for them.
Well, if that's your excuse then the level of compliance would indicate that they weren't made for cars either.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually the real problem is differential in speed. So a car going 80 in a 60 hitting a car going 30 in a 60 is worse than a car going 80 in a 60 hitting a car going 60. Now I'd rather everyone stay within a narrow limit and not go over the 'limit'. Differential kills.
Do you have any support for this argument at all? It seems to overlook the reality of the situation. When one car is in a collision with another, regardless of their relative velocities, when they collide, in a serious accident they will both rapidly decelerate to a speed of zero. That's what the danger is. Their absolute speed has dangers above and beyond their relative velocities -- less control of the vehicle and…
Prime example
Quebec woman who stopped on highway for ducks, causing fatal crash, loses appeal
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#258Regarding speed cameras. I was driving around the Netherlands and saw speed cameras for the first time (I'm from the US) in Apeldoorn. There were signs that warned drivers about them. In the US, in several rural areas have electronic signs at the edge of town, just outside of the limit change, which warn you when you are exceeding the limit through town. I would have no problem at all with permanent enforcement syste…
Speed cameras are one of those things that seems good as a concept but are always abused in practice. We seem to be unable to remove the profit motive from local governments so the only real recourse is to deny them the ability to profit from an activity that will always be abused.
> It is much safer (and should be much cheaper) than randomly placed patrol cars performing radar/laser speed enforcement.
The fact that it has a lower ROI to post an officer+radar than the ROI from a speed camera is a feature, not a bug. It helps control abusive revenue seeking behavior.
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any use of traffic cameras is seen as 'aggressive'. It inevitably results in hundreds of tickets that otherwise wouldn't be written, affecting hundreds of citizens in a way they see as intrusive and 'unfair'. For better or worse.
not disagreeing with the first part of your statement, but, for the second part, a reasonable remedy would be to simply lower the cost of each violation. e.g. if almost everyone got speeding tickets, but they only cost $15 and didn't involve any points against the driver's record or insurance premium hikes, people would simply pay up and probably speed less often. complaints about the injustice of speeding tickets wo…
Tragically, reasonable fees for bad behavior encourage the opposite behavior: all guilt evaporates and folks feel entitled to the behavior, after all they can pay for it. Famous studies of charging parent who were late picking up children from school, everybody started doing it and gladly paying.
Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants
#260It's just another use-case for them I suppose. Interesting to see how, as tech companies become bigger, they go the same way as companies in all the other industries. I'm not surprised, but I am disappointed.
Horray for Free market!
So this means you're gonna start voting with your wallet? You can always host on Azure; Microsoft takes an ethical stance against this stuff. They have an AI ethics review board that vetoes projects like this.