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Post by sheepmullet »

fzeroracer wrote: post #116
nilkn wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm only commenting on your affluenza comparison specifically. Here's an example of why I think the comparison is meaningless. Grand theft can be charged as a misdemeanor with up to a two year jail sentence. But Brock Turner was sentenced to only six months of jail time for rape. Do you think grand theft is worse than rape? Of course not, but the problem here is the Brock Turner sentence, not the sentencing for grand…

And yet you failed to address my point entirely. Which is that far worse crimes in the US end up with more lenient sentencing than immigrants crossing the border. But fine then, I want to draw up a more apt comparison and I want you to address this. Public intoxication is a misdemeanor similar to crossing the border illegally. How often do you think people caught being publicly intoxicated end up losing custody of th…

> Public intoxication is a misdemeanor similar to crossing the border illegally.

I’d argue trying to illegally immigrate to the US is a serious crime and public intoxication is not.

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Post by crispyambulance »

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

There's a sentiment which I see on HN regularly which seems to relish the idea of automated judgement where laws are strict and "objective" and violations are 100% caught, preferably by machine. The argument is that if the law is unfair, it can later be adjusted.

This was most visible in discussion of "smart contracts" where people love the idea of "code-as-law". Unfortunately, it seems to creep into much more personal stuff now, such as using machines to look at everyone's face and know who they are and where they are, all the time.

Whether you agree with automated enforcement or not, the outrageous level of power-imbalance that works against individuals here is disturbing.

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Post by alaxsxaq »

Regarding speed cameras. I was driving around the Netherlands and saw speed cameras for the first time (I'm from the US) in Apeldoorn. There were signs that warned drivers about them. In the US, in several rural areas have electronic signs at the edge of town, just outside of the limit change, which warn you when you are exceeding the limit through town. I would have no problem at all with permanent enforcement systems provided they were accompanied by advance warnings. If I am so inattentive to my driving that I miss the warnings and get a ticket, so be it. It is much safer (and should be much cheaper) than randomly placed patrol cars performing radar/laser speed enforcement.

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Post by collyw »

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

>why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit

That already happens in high risk areas. Would it be fair to do it with high risk immigrants (however you define that)?

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Post by gideonparanoid »

tertius wrote: post #184
lambdadmitry wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: cars: that's a very interesting and deeply American viewpoint. It also smells of rationalization, because the talk of "extra 10mph don't matter" is clearly nonsense and I expect most people here realize that V squared in kinetic energy formula makes 10mph a big deal. So the question becomes — what exactly are you trying to rationalize? Because lower speeds most definitely make people safer. Not only that, but low…

As a non-speeder, cyclists here in the U.S. almost never obey the rules of the road.

Your experience does not necessarily reflect the reality of it [0].

[0] https://usa.streetsblog.org/2018/01/03/study-cyclists-dont-b...

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Post by Chico75 »

tertius wrote: post #184
lambdadmitry wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: cars: that's a very interesting and deeply American viewpoint. It also smells of rationalization, because the talk of "extra 10mph don't matter" is clearly nonsense and I expect most people here realize that V squared in kinetic energy formula makes 10mph a big deal. So the question becomes — what exactly are you trying to rationalize? Because lower speeds most definitely make people safer. Not only that, but low…

As a non-speeder, cyclists here in the U.S. almost never obey the rules of the road.

A big reason for that being that they weren't made for them.

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Post by TarpitCarnivore »

dx87 wrote: post #201
TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #188

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Her comment was being targeted at the upper class who are the loudest ones yelling for this. There's also a fair amount of 'working class' industries who rely on migrant workers to keep labor down, such as landscaping and house cleaning. This is what the tweet is hammering at.

Keeping the price of labor down is exactly what they're talking about. She knows that illegal immigrants providing cheap labor won't affect her wages and allows her to hire people to do manual labor for dirt cheap, so she accuses people of being xenophobic racists if they aren't fine with exploiting illegal immigrants to provide cheap labor.

Huh? She's trying to highlight the hypocrisy in people who want border walls but then demand those services at cheap rates. This is nothing specific to her own thinking and want of cheap labor. It's purely calling out the conflicting stances.

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Post by skummetmaelk »

ardy42 wrote: post #72
wangyjx wrote: post #68

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gun is gun, please don't mix together. Face recognition doesn't attack people. I admit that someone might feel uncomfortable but it can protect you in another cases. (another privacy vs safety argument) Needless to say this technology can only deploy in public places. If someone appear in public places, why you think he would like to become invisible to all others. In the meanwhile, I agree that no gov employee can b…

> gun is gun, please don't mix together. Face recognition doesn't attack people. I admit that someone might feel uncomfortable but it can protect you in another cases. Guns don't attack people either. There's a saying: "guns don't kill people, people kill people."

And they kill each other much more the easier it is to do so...

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Post by skummetmaelk »

x220 wrote: post #28
orev wrote: post #8

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The “right” side is the one supported by evidence. There are some things maybe people can never agree on, but for the vast majority of issues, there is evidence that supports one side more than the other.

I disagree. Political questions are matter of choice, not fact. Values will always be a matter of debate.

Absolutely true. The only problem is that rarely are actual values being debated in politics.

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Post by rwoodley »

Strongerpass wrote: post #62
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

I agree in general but I think "A car traveling 30 mph is absolutely as lethal as a car traveling 10 mph faster than that." is a bit weak. The speed of cars matter, obviously. If you are hit by a car driving 50km/h you will die 8 out of 10 times. If the car is only driving in 30 km/h you will only die 1 out of the 10 times. In other words, it's not a linear scale and the idea that you can drive a bit faster without m…

Of course on a web-site for nerds, commentaters are going to focus on an irrelevant technical detail and miss the larger point.
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