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Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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What is your Google Maps alternative of choice for Android? I wish OsmAnd ( https://osmand.net/ ) would be more interactive on the map and complete regarding addresses. For example if I want to know which bus or subway to take to get from A to B in Hamburg I always have to resort to Maps.

I like Maps.me https://maps.me/ because it works offline and I can easily add markers to it, which are saved to a simple XML file on the phone (so it means even the app disappear, I can move them to another app). I also like that I can correct or add new places via my openstreetmap.com account.

It's based on OpenStreetMap and is reasonably accurate. The main disadvantage is that search is not that great but you get use to it once you know what it works and doesn't work with.

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I'm not sure why people are surprised. Google has been downright evil for quite a while now. They do this in all their products, down to the point of intentionally crippling them. For instance, since Android 5, the standard contact app doesn't allow you to modify a contact which is not synced with an account. Why even do this? The list of tracking settings that can be turned permanently on, but only temporarily off i…

> Maps (the website) used to be a game-changer in the past. It was insanely fast. Nowdays I hate it. The UI is just horrid. On Firefox it just misbehaves constantly.

No kidding there. If you leave it alone for a few minutes (that is, not scrolling, zooming, clicking anything), it will give you a Black Window of Death.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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Yes, a simple take it or leave it situation. There are alternatives. I don't get people getting mad because a private corp is doing something with their own software.

Can you uninstall Google Maps from an android phone? It's because that private corp is so big that it is starting to control much of the internet and devices so this is an issue very much in the public purview. It's not as simple as take it or leave it. The corp in question spends billions to insinuate itself into your life, make you dependant, eat competition, and then you can take it, but you definitely can't leave…

No need to uninstall Google Maps from Android as you don't need to allow tracking for the saving of home to work.

It's odd that Google Maps and Google Assistant both have different methods and rules for the storage of home and work locations.

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Yes, that starts with "leaving it". Though some found my comment above irritating, the more people use these apps or try to make it "their way", these corps won't go anywhere. Yes, either you take it, or leave it. Imagine everyone leaving google today. They can't make money. People made them rich, people can take them down. If genpop doesn't understand, you have to find your own ways to navigate thru the internet bec…

>Yes, that starts with "leaving it" You're right, but the percentage of Google users aware of how evil they are is probably less than 0.5%. An overwhelmingly large percentage of users won't care about what could happen as long as nothing happens directly affecting them. Mass surveillance companies like Google, Facebook know this and take advantage of it. Technology activists aren't strong enough to start a wave that…

"You're right, but the percentage of Google users aware of how evil they are is probably less than 0.5%."

Not unaware of, just don't care. Most people aren't persnickety, anal, border line autistic nerds so Google/Facebook knowing who they know or where they are, when they're using software to tell their friends where they are or are using maps to literally work out where they are right now is just not an issue.

If you really don't want to be tracked you shouldn't have a smartphone, not worry yourself with what Vn+0.1 of an app is doing which Vn wasn't.

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Why on earth would you think Google would sell its most valuable asset? Google does not sell user data, it builds on it. The more data they get, the better and better their AI will develop. Looking back, when they announced they were going to become an AI-first company these sort of drastic data-grabs and privacy issues should have been apparent. But hindsight is 20/20...

> they were going to become an AI-first company these sort of drastic data-grabs I'm appalled every time I'm asked to train Google's object detection networks in the guise of solving a captcha.

Agreed. I didn't mind ReCaptcha when it was helping digitise books because it felt like there was some kind of social benefit beyond padding Google's bottom line (even if that wasn't actually true).

But now when I'm asked to select all the squares containing road signs or storefronts or whatever it feels like I'm being forced to work for Google for free just so I can go about my day.

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Their UX continues to g et worse. Google Voice on iOS has had 10-20 second lag (no joke) on older versions of iOS (used to be jus fine!) for 1-2 years now. One previous version of GV in particular froze for 10 seconds on your first key press, now I can't rely on it to open properly, or send messages. It seems intentionally sabotaged. I heard employees quit when G merged the YT with "real name" accounts. Personally I'…

I know I am flogging a dead horse here, but the constant retiring of Google apps makes me reluctant to adopt anything beyond Gmail and Youtube. I am a heavy Google Keep user, but I worry I am going to be kicked off that eventually. > And stop changing your UI. It The Youtube UI just gets worse and worse. I can only imagine what it must be like for non-Youtube Red subscribers. The add playlist button now defaults to y…

There are two good youtube clients on FDroid. SkyTube allows you to subscribe to channels without having a google account. Neither has ads.

There are a few glitches, but nothing you can't live with.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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I'm not sure why people are surprised. Google has been downright evil for quite a while now. They do this in all their products, down to the point of intentionally crippling them. For instance, since Android 5, the standard contact app doesn't allow you to modify a contact which is not synced with an account. Why even do this? The list of tracking settings that can be turned permanently on, but only temporarily off i…

A bit of a side note, but we should avoid saying things like "not sure why people are surprised" or similar, like in a few other comments. It is true that Google has done this several times over, but we shouldn't normalize it as nothing new, move on. We should still call it out each and every time we see it, even if we are repeating ourselves. Also, what might be obvious to our community is not to those outside, whic…

Comments that say "this is not a surprise" have a strong subtext of "I told you so" and "I knew this all along, but you didn't", whether the author realizes it or not.

They're usually made so the authors feel better about themselves, but they have a very negative effect on the rest of the community reading them as it gives them a sense of powerlessness.

I always try to counteract such comments with 2 arguments:

1) it may not be news to you, but it's probably news for a lot of other people. Most people have their own real-world issues to think about, they don't wonder about for hours every day on what Google may be doing against them while utilizing Google's services. Most people are trusting and think company X (or their government) "wouldn't do evil thing Y" to them. Of course, they're usually wrong. Company X/government would absolutely do that evil thing Y to them if they are not vigilant or it benefits them monetarily or otherwise.

2) Something is still news if it happens again or it gets escalated to a higher degree of aggressiveness from that company X/government. Should we all hear about something evil Google has done once and be done with it? Then make our choice whether or not to trust them and use their services forever? Of course not. These things need a "build-up" period before a decision is made. This is why the expression "breaking the camel's back" exists, and it's what happened now with Chrome 69 and these new issues coming up. It's only now that people have said "Okay, are you f-king serious now, Google?! I've let your shit slide in the past, but no longer!"

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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A bit of a side note, but we should avoid saying things like "not sure why people are surprised" or similar, like in a few other comments. It is true that Google has done this several times over, but we shouldn't normalize it as nothing new, move on. We should still call it out each and every time we see it, even if we are repeating ourselves. Also, what might be obvious to our community is not to those outside, whic…

Comments that say "this is not a surprise" have a strong subtext of "I told you so" and "I knew this all along, but you didn't", whether the author realizes it or not. They're usually made so the authors feel better about themselves, but they have a very negative effect on the rest of the community reading them as it gives them a sense of powerlessness. I always try to counteract such comments with 2 arguments: 1) it…

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Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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Maps is insanely laggy on my Xiaomi Redmi note 4x. THis is with the performance kernel configuration on with GPU running 100%. Its just horribly optimised and has so much clutter now. Does anyone know a decent alternative? (please don't say waze)

Have you tried Open Street Maps? You can get their app from F-droid. Edit: Maps (Offline OpenStreetMap maps) - https://f-droid.org/app/com.github.axet.maps

"Maps" is the Maps.me app but without the adverts and tracking.

For the record OpenStreetMap doesn't have one official app. It doesn't even have any "official" apps. People use OSM data to make other maps.

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