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trcollinson wrote: post #202
sytelus wrote: post #194

While the two were outside talking about how upset Katie was, she went into the bathroom, put the barrel of Robert’s .308-caliber hunting rifle below her chin, and pulled the trigger. When Robert kicked in the locked door, he found his little sister covered in blood. “And her face is gone,” he recalled Who puts a loaded hunting rifle in so accessible way in their homes?

Maybe I’m missing part of the article but who says it was just laying around loaded? It obviously wasn’t locked up as well as it could have been. But I’m sure she knew how to load the rifle and pull the trigger. It’s not a complicated process at all.

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Post by roguecoder »

Markoff wrote: post #215
mmirate wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. If you're hunting large animals, you want to cause plenty of destruction to a vital location in a single shot, so that the animal dies quickly and humanely. (And you certainly don't shoot at their face, parallel to their face.) If you own dangerous tools that don't happen to be useful outside hunting (bolt-action, small magazine, high-penetration cartridges), you also want to store the dangerous tool in a sec…

why anyone need to hunt animals again? killing animals for fun seem like odd hobby in country so focused on no harm done during shooting movie or other times to any animals, seem animals there get better treatment than many citizens with exception of hunting

One example: deer are vermin that frequently overbreed and destroy the landscape since we've wiped out many of the natural predators and provide reliable food sources to them, but on the other hand they make great stew.

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Post by pcvpcvpcv »

Amazing story, incredible work by the doctors.

The second level of the story is exposing the all-too-common issues of American society: Katie's rushed suicide attempt using her brother's unsecured rifle and the donor being an amphetamine overdose. It's horrifying but at least it fits together this time.

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Post by klausjensen »

philjohn wrote: post #124
qiqing wrote: post #92

Notable call-to-action from the article: > Adrea Schneider’s organs and tissues have helped at least seven people. > From halting infections to curing blindness, a single donor can save or > improve more than 70 lives. Enroll to donate organs, eyes, and tissues > at RegisterMe.org and marrow at BeTheMatch.org. To donate a kidney > or part of a liver or other organ while alive, contact a transplant center.

The UK is soon to be moving to an opt out for organ donation (with the usual caveat that family members can still refuse to allow it), I was saddened to see some people spinning it as "the government wants control over my body" when all it takes is a simple checkbox to say you don't want to be a part of it.

I am an organ donor myself, but having it be opt-out does not sit right with me.

For me, an opt-in model where it is hard to avoid not making an active choice sounds like the best solution.

Like if you have to renew drivers-license, ID-card, passport etc, you have to fill out an organ donor form. This encourages people to make a choice, which I have no problem with.

The main problem today (at least in Denmark, which is the system I know best), is that people want to be organ donors, but just never get around to opting in. 90% answer that they are in favour of organ donation, but only 22% have actually registered their choice in the central organ donation registry.

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Post by hvidgaard »

oihoaihsfoiahsf wrote: post #75
crescentfresh wrote: post #47

As a father to two so-far-healthy young boys, one soon to be a teenager I feel devastated at the thought of either of them having to endure the level of emotional chaos that Katie went through the moments leading up to her suicide attempt. My stomach goes into a knot at the thought. I mean gosh, it was a cheating boyfriend. I don't know what to do to protect them from such a path.

What happened to Katie is super sad, but hundreds of thousands of people get dumped and cheated on every year without shooting themselves. I totally understand your feelings, because I also worry for my children. But I also try to do a few things: 1. Try to help my kids keep things in perspective. Don't hide the risk of pain and failure from them. Instead, warn them that such things will happen, and try to teach resi…

Regarding 1, it's one of the things I focus on a lot. I try not to "teach" resilience I think. I let them fail, and I'm emotional support when they fail. I let them see me fail, and I hope the combination will slowly instill resilience in them.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #187
alex_young wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As they used to say, "war is our profession - peace is our product."

Production appears to have stopped for almost 17 years, now.

Has the US ever not been involved in a war in the last 100 or so years? They went to Korea and Vietnam and Iraq pretty much back-to-back after WW2.

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Post by IshKebab »

xeromal wrote: post #5

It takes a brave soul to wake up every day and face the world after sustaining facial damage like that. I start feeling insecure after getting some acne on my face. May she be blessed for remaining strong.

Yeah especially because it was a result of a suicide attempt in the first place. If you try to kill yourself after your boyfriend cheats on you, how do you not after this?

Also, yet another reason why America's gun laws are stupid. She wouldn't have shot herself in England.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #97
throwaway987909 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate the glamorization of the military. I don't understand how anyone would actually join. Sacrifice yourself mentally, and physically to fight political wars for the rich and powerful. No thank you. But the propaganda is soooo strong it preys on people who can't think for themselves.

It is disgusting to watch military recruitment videos in the US. They are clearly designed to prey upon the immature, ego-filled fantasies of 17yr old boys.

It's supported by the media as well. The DoD is involved in Hollywood movies, and while they will supply military vehicles and such for movie use, that does mean they have to approve the script.

Likewise, movies aimed at the Chinese market often need to involve Chinese people or Chinese locations - something you can see in a number of big budget action movies recently.

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Post by roguecoder »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #156
detaro wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the 3 days between death and operation and the ventilator, sounds like a case of someone in a coma and being declared dead due to brain function ceasing. In such cases basic stuff like heartbeat etc is still running on its own (otherwise the tissue wouldn't be supplied with oxygen and die), so there's still vital signs to monitor.

Thanks for explaining They mentioned cocaine, I never realized you could die by cocaine? What is LD50 of cocaine in street units, say "lines"? Why are some people in coma declared dead and others kept alive? Have people ever "recovered" from coma? Is it a question of permission from next of kin to keep the patient alive? Or does it boil down to a financial question?

"Coma" can mean a wide variety of things, and a persistent vegetative state still isn't considered "dead", as was the case here. Judgement of death relies on specific tests that establish the absence of cerebral and brainstem functions. See, for example: http://n.neurology.org/content/neurology/45/5/1012.full.pdf When the brain stops functioning systems such as electrolyte balance and internal temperature control often go as well, and we don't know yet how to keep bodies without brain function functional for extended periods of time (as opposed to comas where the patient's brain can still control autonomic processes.)

In cases where a patient isn't dead, they or their health care proxy have the right to turn down treatments, including those necessary for life. Not everyone wants to be kept alive in a persistent vegetative state, even if they are not dead, and for plenty of reasons other than the cost.

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Post by beachy »

Markoff wrote: post #215
mmirate wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. If you're hunting large animals, you want to cause plenty of destruction to a vital location in a single shot, so that the animal dies quickly and humanely. (And you certainly don't shoot at their face, parallel to their face.) If you own dangerous tools that don't happen to be useful outside hunting (bolt-action, small magazine, high-penetration cartridges), you also want to store the dangerous tool in a sec…

why anyone need to hunt animals again? killing animals for fun seem like odd hobby in country so focused on no harm done during shooting movie or other times to any animals, seem animals there get better treatment than many citizens with exception of hunting

In my country deer are an introduced species that decimate the local flora. Alongside pigs, cats and other animals that are simply in the wrong place thanks to humans.
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