Electric Buses Are Hurting the Oil Industry

Post by xfitm3 » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:12 PM UTC

spodek wrote: post #197

danans wrote: post #21

It's a strange shift in affairs that China appears to have the greatest incentives (urban pollution, petroleum imports) today to advance clean transportation and energy while the US has stalled or moved backward, at least the Federal level. Western European countries, for whom fossil fuels don't seem to be an identity politics issue like in the US, are also making more progress in electrifying their transportation an…

> the US has stalled or moved backward, at least the Federal level. It has at the individual level too for most individuals. Try to get someone to consider flying less. Look at the size of vehicles on the road. How much meat we eat. Air conditioning to point of needing sweaters in the summer and heating to wearing shorts in the winter. All personal choices anyone can make, no legislation necessary. We can blame fossi…

Post by pjc50 » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:15 PM UTC

meteor333 wrote: post #31

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #14

The scale of this is astounding and wonderful: "China had about 99 percent of the 385,000 electric buses on the roads worldwide in 2017, accounting for 17 percent of the country’s entire fleet. Every five weeks, Chinese cities add 9,500 of the zero-emissions transporters—the equivalent of London’s entire working fleet, according Bloomberg New Energy Finance."

Isn't that more than total Tesla cars on the road? I presume producing electric buses are much more complicated than cars. Tesla sounds like a lot hype compared with above stats.

Post by pjc50 » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:19 PM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #42

_bxg1 wrote: post #15

Worried as I am about China's authoritarian practices and their growing influence, they sure are effective at solving environmental problems.

You may have missed this point in TFA; “China is ahead on electrifying its fleet because it has the world’s worst pollution problem. With a growing urban population and galloping energy demand, the nation’s legendary smogs were responsible for 1.6 million extra deaths in 2015, according to non-profit Berkeley Earth.” It’s great to celebrate progress, but don’t fall for the spin. A study published in Nature [1] found…

Post by viraptor » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:23 PM UTC

deepGem wrote: post #242

deadwing0 wrote: post #220

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I work in a bank. They keep it so cold inside in the summer that employees are forced to have space heaters in their offices to keep from shivering all day. All in hopes that a customer who comes in from the outside heat will feel comfortable for the less than 5 minutes that they are inside. The amount of waste is unreal and disgusting. I was laughed at the other day by a coworker because I commented on how much ener…

This is a problem even in tropical countries such as India and Singapore. The contrast between outside and inside temperatures is insane. We get headaches and God knows what the long term detrimental health effects are. It's worse in Singapore as the subway is also super cold.

Post by rdtsc » Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:25 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #229

rdtsc wrote: post #107

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> US gov did embrace suburban sprawl. Yeah but they didn't directly design cities the way a top-down developer would do. They are some planned communities in US. I live next to one, and it is a different feel to it definitely. But it is not a common thing at all. At the federal level there are tax incentives and credits and subsidies and those affect everything but it is still very much a local "maximize my profit" k…

You say the planned community has a certain feel, you are swimming in an ocean of zoning.