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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by gtlondon »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

We seem to be moving from an era when internet censorship was considered bad, to one where "It's OK, we're just censoring this".

I have no sympathy towards gun use - but the principle of large monopolies applying their own morals to censor content seems wrong.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by onion2k »

plandis wrote: post #146
kevhito wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? There are more important things than the issues you cite. If losing historical content and "niche communities" having to go find new hobbies means just a coupl…

> Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? You're presenting a false dichotomy. I have seen no proven link between YouTube videos showing proper gun handling and gun violence. I say this as someone wh…

I have seen no proven link between YouTube videos showing proper gun handling and gun violence.

The suggestion that Youtube should wait until there's proof that videos they host cause harm is nonsense. A private corporation needs to be cautious otherwise they're opening themselves up to unnecessary risk from being sued by a plaintiff who manages to demonstrate harm (within the limits of a single specific case). YouTube doesn't have a moral duty to uphold freedom. They have a duty to protect their shareholders value.

The government shouldn't ban things until there's proof that the thing is harmful to society (and even then there's a good argument that they shouldn't), but that's got nothing to do with what's happening here.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by galieos_ghost »

kevhito wrote: post #125
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? There are more important things than the issues you cite. If losing historical content and "niche communities" having to go find new hobbies means just a coupl…

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket in terms of gun deaths, vast majority are either suicides or inner city gang violence. Majority of homicides are committed with handguns rather than assault rifles. If you account for demographics the US has lower gun violence than many European countries.

Personally I think it's funny how the left and right are so illogical on their chosen issues. When the right doesn't want to take refugees they stoke fears about Islamic terrorism. When the left wants gun control they stoke fear about mass shootings, despite the relative rarity of both.

Both sides of the aisle prefer emotional manipulation to actual facts when it suites them.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by spacehome »

pasquinelli wrote: post #223
flounders wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an interesting section that goes into the scholarly interpretation of the 2nd amendment in the Wikipedia article on it, and it's only been in the 20th century and after that we have gotten into what militia, well regulated and whether or not the people have the right or militias. The main point the founding fathers had for the militias was to defend the country from foreign invaders and from a tyrannical gov…

the hypothetical tyrant just wins over the gun nuts who shoot up the regular folks. tidy.

The more people that own guns the better, then. That way a minority can't run things.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by cup-of-tea »

guelo wrote: post #104
collias wrote: post #51

This is the 21st century equivalent to burning books.

No, it's more like a bookstore not selling books they don't like.

I think a more apt analogy is a centralised printing press refusing to print books they don't like. Maybe you could go to another country to read the book there, but that's not possible for most people.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by brianmurphy »

function_seven wrote: post #216
jetpks wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t a free speech issue. The government isn’t stopping anyone from speaking or thinking anything they want. Freedom of speech != freedom to publish whatever wherever you want

Sure it is. It's not a 1st Amendment issue , true. But—generically—it is a free speech issue. Reddit is adding more rules about what you can and can't post, which affects how free the speech is on their platform. They are entirely within their rights to do this. No doubt. Voat does not have as many (any?) restrictions on the content users can post. The speech is freer on their platform. I may sound pedantic on this,…

I wonder if any of the proponents of booting large groups of users understand tribalism.

It is easy to see one of the unintended consequences of grouping cigar aficionados, home brewers, and gun enthusiasts in with the racists is that they will form common cause to fight back against the "enemy" who are trying to criminalize their hobbies.

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Post by Moodles »

I understand the concern here on HN. However, what do we propose to do? At the end of the day, these are private companies and they can enforce whatever arbitrary guidelines they want within the laws of the countries they operate in. E.g. if you were president Trump, would you do anything about it? Genuinely curious.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

prawn wrote: post #148
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

I live in a country where it is quite unusual for someone to own a gun, but I can appreciate that YouTube how-tos are a great educational tool in the situation you describe. From YouTube's message though, it seemed that they were only cracking down on how-tos pertaining to specific things like magazine size or automatic fire. Would that pertain to the 100+ year old rifle and general gun maintenance/malfunctions?

Ahoy from across the sea!

I grew up in Port Lincoln, then moved to Adelaide, and now Launceston. Also, I have family in Queensland.

In my experience it isn’t unusual at all for someone to own a gun, or guns, in Australia.

My father had guns, my sisters family have multiple guns for pig hunting. Half the guys I work with have a veritable smorgasbord of firearms, I’m talking 10+ firearms, for hunting and just general enthusiasm. People I’ve worked with in IT in Adelaide own handguns for target shooting.

I guess it depends who you hang out with. Even some of the “hippies” I’ve known along the way own guns for pest control and dealing with injured livestock.

I guess the average city dweller in Australia probably doesn’t own firearms, but if you spend enough time in the towns and smaller cities... plenty of guns.

We do seem to mange not to shoot each other up very often. Im more worries about being punched in the back of the head.

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Post by Endy »

VladTheImplier wrote: post #55
MrMember wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've deleted both my YouTube and reddit accounts. I've been trying to de-Google my life, this will probably accelerate that. Just need a proper mobile Linux device and I can finally dump Android.

Going lineage OS with F-Droid for your APP needs has been quite the positive experience for me. Everything has a nice FLOSS alternative, that is sometimes better than the Google-App equivalent and the newly revamped F-Droid works great. If you still need something from the playstore there is the "yalp-store" app, which grabs apk with a fake account from google.

I hate the new F-Droid interface, honestly, and had to delete it and download an older version. Then again, I also use KISS Launcher, and I despise "tile" displays of any kind. Just give me text.
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