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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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The right ran 200 yards further right. As much as I hate Reagan, that guy wouldn't recognize the current GOP. There are barely any moderate republicans left. The current GOP is defunding everything from the state department, EPA to education. Meanwhile the democrats (outside of Sanders who's a self-defined independent, and Warren) are afraid to even suggest universal healthcare because it would be too left-leaning. T…

If a significant portion of the US population doesn't want Universal Healthcare, then it is too left leaning. Just because many European countries have adopted a policy doesn't mean the US should, especially if the populace disagrees.

This misses the point. The point is that America an extreme-right country. The Democrats are the moderate Right - like the Republicans used to be - and the Republicans are way Right. Removing the context of what it means to be Left or Right - by accepted standards - makes no sense.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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> But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. > As a moderate, BOTH extremes in the U.S. scare the shit out of me right now. This is painfully ridiculous. The lunatic with a rifle is not representative of Sanders or his supporters, or the left in the U.S. I don't think an honest person of any political stripe would listen…

> The lunatic with a rifle is not representative of Sanders or his supporters And nazis aren't representative of Trump or his supporters. To say otherwise would insinuate that _half the country_ are nazis.

>And nazis aren't representative of Trump or his supporters.

It’s actually not clear if this is the case. It took three days and a ton of media pressure to get Trump to say he condemns Nazis, and then he immediately said that he only made the statement because “bad people” in the media forced him to.

A very logical conclusion is that Trump actually does support Nazis.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)

Trump did disavow the white supremacists. Not fast enough for them?

and then RT'd someone who's a good buddy with Richard Spencer. Actions speaking louder than words from a teleprompter

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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He retweeted this last night: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/897107711434915842

That's racist? How is pointing out an ongoing bloodbath in Chicago, where most victims are not well-to-do fellow "white supremists", racist? To be fair you have to admit Trump has a lot more on his mind than just one white supremacist rally and he's been trying to get involved in Chicago's violence since before the election.

The content of the tweet is noise, it's the source of the tweet that is the signal and the message re-tweeting a tweet from that source sends.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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You're honestly putting too much stock in the media's narrative. Were you not watching the violence coming from left-wing protesters for the last couple of years? Such as Antifa and similar groups smashing towns and beating people with fists and shovels. It's a miracle the guy they were beating on the streets of Berkeley didn't die. Edit: and how about the Scalise shooting or the police officers killed at the hands o…

The right-wing violence runs a lot further than that, all the way back to the Civil War and the people who went to war to defend their "right" to violence against black people. There is a continuous line between that and today. The Charlottesville protests were centered on a statue: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-...

Left-wing violence goes back just as much.

Those people defending their "rights" in the Civil War were Democrats.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

> ...you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US > ...these companies aren't going to stay in the US

A problem with these is the presumption that it is a timelessly, inherently, and unquestionably good objective. Just like the pursuit of (re)creating coal jobs, as if that's prudent and admirable, no matter what.

> ...could be seen as complicit of Trump.

"Could"? I don't think anyone who's being intellectually honest would be able to claim otherwise. If you serve a leader in an advisory role, you are actively in support of their policies and actions. Even if you disagree and the leader chooses otherwise or acts contrary to your advice, your role by its nature demonstrates that you are deferring to their leadership, thus you support it.

(I acknowledge that you are explaining views that are not necessarily your own.)

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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I hate to get involved in politics here at HN, but maybe I can contribute a comment that really isn't politics but is business and news strategy ? First, I try to stay up on the news , that is, the facts about what has been happening. Well, there's a lot of news on the Internet, so I can get a lot of input on some version of what has been happening. At this point, to me, the news doesn't make any sense. The news does…

The black CEO of Merck resigned from the council when the President failed to denounce white supremacists in Charlottesville (blatantly so, watch the entire raw video through the bill signing). The CEO of Merck was then attacked on Twitter via the @realDonaldTrump account. Later, Under Armour and Intel CEOs both resigned from the council. Both white. Neither were attacked on Twitter. Yesterday, the President went on…

I'm sorry: This "failed to denounce" is just a game, part of the news gossip I described. And the second play of the game is failed to denounce "soon enough".

Trump did NOTHING at all wrong. His first speech was fine, presidential, responsible, good leadership, highly ethical, calm the nation, slow, hopefully stop, the violence, save more people from getting killed.

The failed to denounce soon enough, strongly enough, and convincingly enough is just a game played by people who want to have an excuse for a headline, to make up a story, to contribute to a narrative, to play to a partisan audience, to get eyeballs and clicks, to push gossip, innuendo, etc. It's not objective.

This is not the first time: The newsies jumped on this game, manipulation, way back in the campaign on the cooked-up issue that Trump did not "denounce" David Duke "fast enough". Made-up, cooked-up, stirred-up, deliberately deceptive and provocative, BS. Attempting to incite a riot. Skilled, clever gossip, Victorian garden party nasty, bitchy, social chit-chat used as "news".

They also want to start a fight, to have something to write stories about, to blame Trump for, to get more stories, to push their narrative, even if the fight KILLS more people. The newsies are very dirty dogs. You fell for their manipulation.

You can go for that nasty, dangerous, inciting violence, manipulation BS if you want; it's a free country; we have a free press; the press is permitted to publish total BS; and some people will believe it -- that's their right.

But in a free country with a free press, one of your responsibilities as a citizen is to be darned skeptical of such BS manipulation, to filter it out, not fall for it.

That Trump did anything wrong is just silly, again, pile-on gossip: The POTUS should not be pushed into having his statements dictated by newsies.

Look, this newsie game, if you fall for it, is like a "fork" in chess: If Trump gives a really good, presidential, responsible speech as he did, then the newsies claim he didn't denounce specific people and groups fast enough or strongly enough.

So, the newsies want Trump to say provocative things. They basically want to trick Trump into using the newsies words and content. Then the newsies get to demean Trump, make him an obedient puppy, cost him respect and status.

So, if you go along, either way with the fork, Trump loses and the newsies win.

Again, once again, over again, yet again, one more time, this time just for you, it's a dirty newsie manipulation. You need to see this.

It's a little like some dirt bags in high school creating gossip and pushing and pushing it to create a consensus, based on absolutely 0 that is real, to push the captain of the football team actually off the team and likely out of the school.

For the newsies, with just gossip, to bring down a freely, properly elected POTUS, to cancel a free election, to overturn our democracy, would be one of the worst harms to the US in all its history, but THAT is just what the newsies are trying to do. Then, think of all the headlines, eyeballs, and ad revenue they could get?

The captain of the football team and the POTUS are safe unless you let yourself be manipulated by dirty newsies.

Trump's statements were fully, very appropriate.

Sure, the newsies who want headlines want to start a fight, have Trump name names, do name calling, get into specific fights with specific people and groups, etc.

Trump was correct -- such newsies will never be satisfied. Why? The biggest reason is that as soon as people are satisfied, the newsies lose audience, clicks, ad revenue, headlines, stories, and their narrative.

The newsies are trying to incite a fight.

The American people are getting a crash, high level course in reading comprehension and understanding manipulation: The newsies will throw made-up, cooked-up, stirred-up, incited, provoked, gang-up, pile-on nonsense as fast as they can. First cut, we should just ignore it. When they called Melania an "escort model", they got sued big league and lost.

The news people are very dirty dogs and want your eyeballs.

You've let them get to you with their claim that Trump should pick fights. No he shouldn't. The newsies want a FIGHT to cover and want to provoke Trump into a fight. So, the newsies have a narrative that Trump is racist (top card in the Democrat deck, the race card, then the gender card, ..., and the newsies are about 90% Democrat) and keep pushing that narrative. Look at all objectively and see that the narrative is just total propaganda JUST as in the Goebbels "if you tell a lie often enough then people will believe it". You've been manipulated, been had. The newsies are thrilled with you and count on a lot more clicks from you.

The good news about the dirty dog newsies is that they have been shoveling their deceptive, manipulative, lying BS against Trump for 2 years now, and the worse thing they have found so far that has any credibility at all is just something about two scoops of ice cream. So, with all that newsie effort at dirt, we have to conclude that Trump is squeaky clean and a really good guy.

They've got nothing; they've got zip, zilch, and zero; they've got nichts, nil, nada; they've got their 1+ year old Russia story with nothing, a big nothing burger, "where's the beef?". As I wrote in my post above, the newsies are desperate for headlines, stories, eyeballs, revenue, etc. They are about to go out of business and have zero credibility left.

You have fallen just for nasty gossip. Why? You just want to take up the Goebbels style lies so that you can fit in with others who do that? The dirty dog newsies are inciting violence that stands to get people killed, and you are going along with them. Not good. Wise up.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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He retweeted this last night: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/897107711434915842

That's racist? How is pointing out an ongoing bloodbath in Chicago, where most victims are not well-to-do fellow "white supremists", racist? To be fair you have to admit Trump has a lot more on his mind than just one white supremacist rally and he's been trying to get involved in Chicago's violence since before the election.

There is a big difference between ongoing gang violence and a terrorist attack. They are both problems, yes, but a terrorist attack by a Nazi during a public demonstration is by far bigger news.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Major companies that still have representatives in the council: GM, Blackrock, BCG, Walmart, Boeing, Pepsi, IBM, GE, Dow, Dell, Whirlpool, Ford, Johnson&Johnson, Lockheed Martin, US Steel, 3M, Corning Everyone who has left: Uber(Travel Ban and #DeleteUber), Disney(Paris withdrawal), Tesla/SpaceX(Paris Withdrawal). And now Merck, Under Armour and Intel(all left after failure to condemn white supremacists)

Trump did disavow the white supremacists. Not fast enough for them?

Not really. He didn't refer to them as white supremacists, and was far too moderate in condemning the violence that happened on behalf of the neo-Nazi protestors, referring to "violence on all sides". For a person who slammed the media and Obama for not "calling a spade a spade" on radial Islamic terrorism, it's quite hypocritical to then not "call a spade a spade" on white supremacist terrorism.

To be clear, the left has acted violently as well in the past (just look at the Berkley riots), but in this context "violence on all sides" sounds as though the violence was not entirely initiated by one side. But for all accounts, that's exactly what happened. Counter-protestors weren't the ones to drive a car into a crowd.

Some people argue that the protestors having permits somehow excuses the fact that they attacked counter-protestors, but that doesn't make sense unless the violence was initiated by the counter-protestors (which there doesn't appear to be evidence for, and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary).

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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The right-wing violence runs a lot further than that, all the way back to the Civil War and the people who went to war to defend their "right" to violence against black people. There is a continuous line between that and today. The Charlottesville protests were centered on a statue: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-rally-...

Left-wing violence goes back just as much. Those people defending their "rights" in the Civil War were Democrats.

Democrats today are not Democrats of yesteryear. The ideology of the two parties switched during the Civil Rights movement. The Civil War was not “left wing violence”.
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