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Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by daniel_iversen »

diebir wrote: post #100

Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…

You may not like Oracle, but I bet they'll be around, thriving for decades.. Sure the Oracle DB is being replaced somewhat by other technologies and a shifting market to SaaS, but they are transforming the company rapidly and acquiring a very impressive and diverse portfolio of companies and starting to make large dents in the SaaS market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Oracle

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by bitmapbrother »

dragandj wrote: post #222
wtallis wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the "structure, sequence, and organization" of APIs is a copyrightable work in its own right, then couldn't Google make a GPL-licensed derivative SSO (Android's API) but put their implementation under a separate license? Has anyone done a legal analysis of how the GPL's copyleft provisions would apply to this new kind of copyrighted work?

No. Everything that gets linked to GPL has to be GPL.

That's not true. OpenJDK is licensed under the GPL v2 with the Classpath Exception.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by wycx »

jolux wrote: post #101
punctilio wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, plagiarism and copyright infringement are different things. For example, it is possible to plagiarize something that is not copyrighted, and many forms of copyright infringement wouldn't fit the definition of plagiarism.

True, but the parent seems to think they wouldn't have been plagiarizing if they had "paraphrased" the declaring code so to speak, which makes the relationship here explicit. If they had paraphrased the declaring code, it would have been much harder to say they were infringing on copyright, but instead, they copied it verbatim. Of course, in academia paraphrasing is still plagiarism, but it is likely no longer copyri…

> Of course, in academia paraphrasing is still plagiarism, but it is likely no longer copyright infringement especially in this case.

That seems an odd thing to say. A significant portion of academic writing is paraphrasing, with attribution. What is a review article, other than attributed paraphrasing?

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by secstate »

coolgeek wrote: post #237
diebir wrote: post #100

Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…

> The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad" I think that what you mean is: - they don't understand the relational model - they don't understand the tradeoffs of ACID vs BASE - they never bothered to actually learn SQL - they *think* that they have "big data" Don't get me wrong - there are compelling use cases for, and decent products for, every class of non-relational database. But the…

PostgresQL is an RDBMS and has increasingly been demonstrated as able to hold it's own against closed source rivals.

I think the OPs tossing NOSQL in there was poor form, and I think "SQL engines" could be replaced with DBAs. The world still needs RDBMS and we desperately need people who understand them from an engineering perspective.

But as an average app developer, I can scale my product to serve hundreds of thousands of people with really shitty DB architecture by simply throwing RAM at Postgres. That means Oracle corporate promises and hoards of query-optimizing DBAs are not the default for most fast (and even some moderately fast) moving startups anymore.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by shp0ngle »

edraferi wrote: post #161
glenneroo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or wait until some conglomerate lobbies hard enough to make software patents last as long as the copyright on Micky Mouse.

Oh dear God please no

Oh yes. Disney will never let Captain America or Mickey Mouse expire.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by adrienne »

coolgeek wrote: post #237
diebir wrote: post #100

Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…

> The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad" I think that what you mean is: - they don't understand the relational model - they don't understand the tradeoffs of ACID vs BASE - they never bothered to actually learn SQL - they *think* that they have "big data" Don't get me wrong - there are compelling use cases for, and decent products for, every class of non-relational database. But the…

YES, THANK YOU.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by freehunter »

raarts wrote: post #181
wtbob wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not understanding is fine: assuming that something one doesn't understand must be a slur is not fine.

He didn't assume but presume. And I think that's quite understandable for a non native speaker, given the connotation of the word 'dark'.

We are on the internet, and online dictionaries exist. There is no reason to presume or assume the meaning of a word when it can merely be looked up.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by bdcravens »

metachris wrote: post #206
bdcravens wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. Worth noting they own MySQL (via Sun acquisition)

The developers moved to MariaDB, which is what everyone uses nowadays anyway rather than MySQL.

Among the many open source PHP installs for things like Wordpress, I don't know that I've seen a single install of MySQL. WPEngine, for instance, only offer MySQL.

The 10M+ pulls (and 3.8k stars) on Docker Hub suggests that MySQL is still getting a ton of use.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by shard972 »

rifung wrote: post #248
Teever wrote: post #199

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The people that intended to do evil merely waited until those who didn't intend to do so finished implementing the things they were implementing. Then they used that sound infrastructure to do evil with, as they had intended to do all along. Those people that took the slogan seriously were used.

Those are very damning accusations. Care to give some examples?

I think Google's quiet transformation from a search company to a data company that is trying to learn everything about everyone is the prime example.

Google buzz was also one of the early moves that showed this, opting everyone who uses gmail into a social network was pretty evil if you ask me.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Post by Spooky23 »

diebir wrote: post #100

Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…

No way. Oracle owns enterprise ERP.

Every public company needs to run Oracle/Peoplesoft or SAP.

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