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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by grzm »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #247
grzm wrote: post #235

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"President" Trump and his neo-Nazi advisor Stephen Bannon can shove this fascist crap where the sun don't shine. Regardless of how strongly you feel, how heated the discussion, or how others are behaving, you're doing yourself and your argument no favors with the name-calling. Even if you feel that you're just calling a spade a spade, you're just providing others with ammunition to dismiss you and anything you say as…

>Even if you feel that you're just calling a spade a spade, you're just providing others with ammunition to dismiss you and anything you say as just an angry, unreasonable rant. I think the problem here is that I genuinely feel I'm calling a spade a spade. Trump himself is probably not ideological enough to be a devoted neo-Nazi. Stephen Bannon, on the other hand, makes Republicans allude to fascism[1]. >“The racist,…

Like I said, it doesn't matter if it's justified or not. All that matters is whether you're able to appear as a legitimate voice. I'd love for everything to come down to rational facts and discourse. That's just not how human psychology works in the even the best of circumstances. And when people are actively choosing to act in bad faith, you need to take that into account even more so.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by coldtea »

tptacek wrote: post #181
aomurphy wrote: post #154

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A majority of Americans want to allow refugees from Muslim countries, including Syria: http://www.voanews.com/a/poll-americans-divided-along-party-... Democrats (who voted 89% for Hillary) are strongly in support. Overall 59% of Americans believe immigrants make the country stronger: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/15/americans-vi...

Since the actual facts seem so starkly in opposition to 'WildUtah's point, I'd be really interested in seeing what evidence he expected to use to support his argument --- if only to see whether I'm misunderstanding his point.

The facts being some polls? Because those don't lie, right?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by Retra »

WildUtah wrote: post #240
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #208

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>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD. He now says that he…

I doubt a Jewish Israeli computer scientist poses a threat. But posing a threat isn't the criterion. We don't just take anyone that isn't especially dangerous. America is a nation and only those that further the aims of the existing nation should come. Even then it should be very few of those because America is already full. We can't build enough space to live and infrastructure for the people that are already here.…

What do you mean "America is full?" Our population density is 182 of ~250 on a global scale. We have more space, money, and food per person than almost every other country on the planet.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tehlike »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #241
tehlike wrote: post #231

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I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them. However, my view on that is a bit different - if he can avoid, working on his own for his own future instead of a big corp is the way to go. PS: goog emp.

> I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them. As I understood it, he had gone through the interview process and been offered a specific role in Mountain View, for which they then couldn't get the visa. This was back in 2015, so no Trump craziness yet then, just the ordinary bureaucratic stuff. And just to express my butthurt, Israelis don't…

The h1b cap is crazy, unfortunately. If he has a phd he could have gone through eb1 route, but i am not an expert on that.

That said, it looks like it's past now. Good luck to your friend.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by coldtea »

tptacek wrote: post #198
WildUtah wrote: post #191

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How that poll is taken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfkTwY6aalg

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Which specific poll are you referring to and what specific problem do you have with its methodology? What poll more accurately describes public opinion, or is public opinion on this subject either "unknowable" or in some other way clear?

How are these polls unlike all the other polls that e.g. predicted Trump will lose by a large margin?

Most polls are quite vague approximations, when they aren't just lying with statistics. And you can easily frame them in all kinds of ways by how one asks the questions and how they present an issue.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by sveme »

WildUtah wrote: post #238
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #228

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I agree, and that's what I have to say to my former (I graduated) coworker. I'm very much inclined to pack bags, ship my possessions, and leave this country myself. If this is how this government behaves one week in , violating human rights and the Constitution already , what can I expect as a minority who was born here? And what about the people I know without second passports? Should a certain friend refuse to visi…

A patriotic American can simply renounce a foreign passport.

Some countries do not allow renunciation of their passports.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by [deleted] »

finid wrote: post #165
rgbrenner wrote: post #71

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It may also be illegal: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-immigrat... The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that had structured American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or residents of the U.S. http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1965_immigration... Ex…

So what are the Democrats doing about this. The silence from that group is deafening.

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tptacek »

coldtea wrote: post #255
tptacek wrote: post #198

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I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Which specific poll are you referring to and what specific problem do you have with its methodology? What poll more accurately describes public opinion, or is public opinion on this subject either "unknowable" or in some other way clear?

How are these polls unlike all the other polls that e.g. predicted Trump will lose by a large margin? Most polls are quite vague approximations, when they aren't just lying with statistics. And you can easily frame them in all kinds of ways by how one asks the questions and how they present an issue.

Those polls were broadly accurate, as has been heavily reported. In particular, the outcome tracked the national polls, and upsets were targeted and involved very narrow margins.

But, of course, none of your comment answers the questions I posed. I'm less interested in litigating abstractions and more in the specifics. Care to take a whack at addressing them?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by finid »

enraged_camel wrote: post #234
mikeyouse wrote: post #217

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Lol, blame the Democrats for not doing what? The Rs control the White House and both branches of congress.

I don't think the OP was blaming the Democrats, but rather asking the legitimate question of whether (and how) they are planning to resist. So far, their actions have been rather dismal. For instance, they've voted for most if not all of Trump's cabinet appointments.

Yes, if a Democratic President was doing this, the din from the other camp would be very load. Not a beep from Chuck Schumer or Nancy Peloci?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by DrScump »

vacri wrote: post #204
skissane wrote: post #95

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If Donald Trump was Prime Minister of the UK instead of President of the US, do you think the Queen would stop him from doing something like this? I'm pretty sure the answer is "No".

The queen is a figurehead and doesn't get involved in politics - the point being that she doesn't fiddle with parliament's politics, and they don't cut her out of the picture. Been that way for centuries. Here in Australia, the picture is similar. The Governor General (queen's representative) is the ceremonial head of state and can dissolve government prompting new elections, but can't direct government to a certain…

  The GG... can dissolve government
Can the Regent no longer do this in the U.K.?

  Basically, the Queen maintains her power
But you implied just earlier that she has no power.
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