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Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by ohnomrbill »

j2bax wrote: post #245
ohnomrbill wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, the concern of the parent post was that they would link my work and personal profiles behind the scenes. I don't want to see work-related content pop up, but it's a secondary concern. I don't want Facebook to know what I do both when I'm at work and when I'm on personal time, because I don't trust their company.

Sorry for misreading you and making assumptions. Can I ask why you are more concerned about Facebook having your workplace's information than your own personal information? Assuming that your workplace chose to offer their information up to Facebook by subscribing to their service...

I would not be concerned about them having my workplace's information if they did not have my personal information. I'm fine with them having personal information, or workplace information, but not both. The only thing missing for Facebook then would be to watch me while I sleep.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by broguinn »

pmlnr wrote: post #104

https://workplace.fb.com/trust Sure. Also: Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks Just keep remembering that as well, please.

Facebook has a storied history of firing their employees with no justification based entirely on what they say in private messages in Facebook internal. It's happened to close friends of mine. Companies that adopt the same platform will invariably be allowed to use the same unimpeded and unjust surveillance system. And as has been said in other comments here: this information will be more freely and directly available to the US Government, just as Facebook now builds tools specifically for the government to peruse private personal data.

An individual can opt out of Facebook in their personal lives relatively easily. But it is not an option to reject the primary communication tool of your business -- this platform has the potential of keeping conscientious objectors out of the workforce.

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Post by notyourwork »

lunula wrote: post #232
matwood wrote: post #149

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I agree. If FB did such a thing it would end whatever enterprise business they hoped to gain.

Except there is no evidente that anyone would care. They are sharing huge amounts of data on individuals with third parties. People continue to use and pay for the service.

Businesses have a tendency to protect themselves in a much more proactive way than individuals seem to do. Most people react when companies abuse their relationship. Businesses have IP to protect along with consider the implications for insider trading? What if a publicly trading company used this platform for their employees and conversation eluded to something which gave anyone someone at Facebook access to this information.

People don't feel comfortable sharing their pictures of cats and such but businesses have their livelihood to protect.

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Post by res0nat0r »

eropple wrote: post #246
matwood wrote: post #230

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> For example: it is possible to ignore people's do-not-disturb settings (added relatively recently, after a long period of asking) to force their phone to blow up at four in the morning. How is this any different than someone calling you at 4am? Or sending a bunch of emails? This has nothing to do with Slack and everything to do with a bad company.

The context of email, in my experience, is that "you'll get the email when you see it." Slack's ephemera, the social contract that it encourages , is "you are on all the time." It is an asynchronous communication tool that it tries to convince its users is synchronous , and if you aren't using it in a synchronous manner (as I don't, for the most part), you are breaking that perceived illusion. You are not being a Tea…

Slack's job is to make communication easier, and apparently it is doing just that based on its massive user base spike. I'm signed into 6 different Slack org's right now on my laptop to let me talk to different clients all at once and is extremely easy to use and a great timesaver.

When I leave my desk my phone gets direct messages to me that I've missed. It is incredibly useful and is doing it's job. All of the complaints above are all just deflecting your company's lack of respect for your personal time. Don't feel like being on instant messenger away from your PC? Don't install it on your phone, or turn mobile notifications off.

I've worked at previous jobs where my manager would send emails at 1AM to my BlackBerry and expect a quick response. I didn't blame BlackBerry for that, I blamed my previous management for expecting me to be online 24x7.

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Post by user5994461 »

timanglade wrote: post #35
matwood wrote: post #30

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I guess I do not really understand the backlash at Slack. I think it is more of highlighting broken company cultures. If someone expects an immediate response for any communication does it matter if it is Slack, the phone, your office, your email (plus follow up email and/or phone call)? For me Slack has cut down immensely on people randomly showing up in my office. Just forcing someone to write something down, and t…

Agreed! Tools almost always reflect the flaws of their users — but it’s not to say that the flaws of the tool proper can’t harm a user too. In Slack’s case, I think their notification settings (and the defaults in particular) encourage an always-on culture that can be hard for some corporate cultures to resist. Regarding public communications — I think that only aggravates the noise/always-on issue, but if that’s you…

The cure to Slack: Do NOT install slack on your phone. And if it is, remove it.

It's the hell to get notifications all day, before you're at work, after you left work. The slack dev didn't bother putting a button to stop beeping on incoming message or to stop receiving messages at all.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by eric_h »

spicyj wrote: post #89
eric_h wrote: post #88

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Will they support generic 2factor auth apps or will I have to use a separate Facebook workplace app to generate auth codes for logging in? I'm already annoyed that I get my two factor codes from two different apps (one for Facebook, one for everything else), I'd be extra annoyed if it had to be three.

You can actually use any TOTP app with Facebook already, though the setting is very buried: https://www.facebook.com/help/358336074294704

Holy shit! Thank you very much, I had no idea.

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Post by sctb »

_RPM wrote: post #117

Trump matured too. He doesn't really still want to sexually assault women. He's changed. Edit: The parent of my comment has completely morphed his original comment into what it is now.

Please stop posting this across the whole thread. The guidelines ask us not to introduce flamewar topics like this, and to do so with such volume is a serious abuse of the site.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680752 and marked it off-topic.

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Post by gjolund »

blahi wrote: post #224
dbg31415 wrote: post #16

Yes, just what I want... more crap from Facebook. I've been so very satisfied with how much of my personal data they sell to marketers thus far, I really want them to start tracking me at work too. Hopefully they will pair the launch with an aggressive sales campaign targeted at people in HR so I won't get a say in the matter and it'll just be rolled out for my coworkers without our input. That would be just swell.

Hey, I'm wondering, how exactly does facebook selling ads against your data affect you negatively?

Advertising is brainwashing, it is the art of thought manipulation.

Right now it is heavily focused on consumerism.

Facebook has already shown it is can easily identify depression, radicalization, political associations, and other "aberrant" behaviours.

I do not trust Mark Zuckerberg as an individual, nor FB as a company to fill that role in society.

Re: Workplace by Facebook opens to sell enterprise social networking to the masses

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Post by blahi »

gjolund wrote: post #259
blahi wrote: post #224

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Hey, I'm wondering, how exactly does facebook selling ads against your data affect you negatively?

Advertising is brainwashing, it is the art of thought manipulation. Right now it is heavily focused on consumerism. Facebook has already shown it is can easily identify depression, radicalization, political associations, and other "aberrant" behaviours. I do not trust Mark Zuckerberg as an individual, nor FB as a company to fill that role in society.

You are being manipulated constantly, 24/7. By your friends, co-workers, family, acquitances, movies, songs, books, by yourself. This isn't really a valid reason, IMO.
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