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Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bill Gates can't continue espousing the ideas that everyone should have access to healthcare/technology/internet and be on the board of a company that charges way too much for an OS that --let's be honest-- isn't really miles ahead of any other OS... I did like the fact that he posted a picture of kids using Ubuntu on his FB page though.
Is it more expensive than OS X though? Windows licenses are like $50 for OEM. With OS X you have to constantly buy upgrades since their support period is short. I might be wrong though, never bought an OS X license.
And OSX and Server is an orphan product try to find any usefull information about using OSx/Mac's when you have more than one or two systems.
Thers no G dmm X Clinet FFS
I am Migrating our mostly Mac shop from standalone to networked using OSX and to be honest using windows server 2012 woudl have been far cheaper in time and hardware costs
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#243I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…
I think you are operating with a very narrow view. Only a ver, very small percentage of people, adults included, will dive into OS and kernel source code. A lot of computing can and does happen without having to operate at that level.
In 35 years as a software/hardware engineer I have never had to go into OS source code for either embedded or worstation applications. I have written real-time operating systems from sctatch for embedded applications running inside customized processors I built inside FPGA's but that's about it.
Yes, I am suggesting that the lack of access to source does not limit growth or learning in any way. They can always run Linux on any platform and go as deep as they with. That's the other point. When the platform costs $35 you can certainly have more than one and play with different OS's and applications.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you overestimate the need for access to the OS for learning things. The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows. A lot of that was just as, if not more, advanced as what a Linux programmer does. I do think the trend of iOS, Android and similar Windows environments is troubling. But if they ship Windows 10 on the RPi with something like QBasic and Visual Studio it's…
I don't think Win 10 is about teaching kids to code. But then I don't think the Pi is really about teaching kids to code either. The Pi Foundation has done a good job of persuading everyone otherwise, but I'm left with a nagging suspicion that a computer designed for kids from the ground up would look very different. It's just too damn complicated for most kids. The nerds get it, but expecting the average ten year ol…
the pi was origionaly designed for older kids (12-13) to get them ready for University level courses later in life.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bill Gates can't continue espousing the ideas that everyone should have access to healthcare/technology/internet and be on the board of a company that charges way too much for an OS that --let's be honest-- isn't really miles ahead of any other OS... I did like the fact that he posted a picture of kids using Ubuntu on his FB page though.
Depending on the type of user you are, but Linux is miles ahead of Windows for research.
"Linux is miles ahead of Windows for research."
I think you need to be a bit more specific than that - for research in what field. I can think of several computational areas where either the OS is irrelevant or Windows is a better platform due to ecosystem issues. But yeah, supercomputers, servers, networking, etc, probably.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#246I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…
> However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves.
Think of it differently--some kids may wish to learn about other things, or just build something. Not all kids will want to dive deep into the OS.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bill Gates can't continue espousing the ideas that everyone should have access to healthcare/technology/internet and be on the board of a company that charges way too much for an OS that --let's be honest-- isn't really miles ahead of any other OS... I did like the fact that he posted a picture of kids using Ubuntu on his FB page though.
OS X is free now on the condition of using only Mac hardware. Windows is the only OS that isn't free and their market share has been gobbled up by Apple in the last decade or so. I think the only place where Windows is still pricey is the enterprise, but Apple has made it a point to give away their OS completely free to everyone. Apple got out of the server game mostly because Linux has and will take over in the long…
>OS X is free now on the condition of using only Mac hardware.
By that metric, Windows is also free if you buy a Surface.
>their market share has been gobbled up by Apple in the last decade or so
Today I learned that going from 5% to 7% marketshare is gobbling up a rival that has 90%+ marketshare.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves" "Windows is closed as ever" Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. They will be using some app/language running on the OS. They don't need access to the OS source to do that. Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for…
> Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. Not most of them and not to begin with, but "educating themselves" means having a platform where their curiosity can run amok, and some kids with RPis absolutely will find the Eudyptula Challenge or some other source of inspiration and make it to tinkering with the kernel. RPi is absolutely the perfect platform for this. Break your OS? Just thr…
Thank you for mentioning the Eudyptula Challenge [1]. It's not my cup of tea right now, but it sounds Really Cool for anyone interested in kernel programming.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I mean, can you install gcc, golang, nodejs, python, ruby, ghc, lua (...) on windows with a single command? If you go the unofficial way you can use chocolatey ( https://chocolatey.org/ ). I am very happy with it ( so does it my 9 years old son) > And you will never know if they want to do kernel-level coding if they don't have access to the kernel. That depends on the personal curiosity of each person. In my case…
Chocolatey looks nice actually. I might have had more fun on windows when I used it in the 90s if that had existed. I will keep it in mind in case I ever see a need for it, I imagine I could suggest it to some windows users.
Chocolatey/NuGet is great to use, and it's being added to Windows 10 by default. I use it pretty exclusively no for tool downloads.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
So basically, you can set the example for kids to not give a crap about IP and that it is OK to study/do whatever they want with something they find online. Nevermind that because they have not signed the MS agreement it is basically stolen property. I see somebody mirrored it already.
That benefit doesn't seem like enough to offset the fact that they'll be running an OS which is very difficult or impossible to actually modify for use. Any changes made would amount to a fork with one of the worst possible merge workflows; for beginners an open-source environment is much easier to start modifying, and for the more experienced it's much more productive to modify an environment that has a responsive u…
"That benefit doesn't seem like enough to offset the fact that they'll be running an OS which is very difficult or impossible to actually modify for use. "
That's a bit harsh. The point of OS is to provide a computational platform for higher level computational stuff like arts and science. It would be a dark world if everyone just tinkered with OS kernels (while it sure is nice some people do).