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A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by refurb »

danielweber wrote: post #148
danielsiders wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also in general the severity of the charge is directly proportional to the quantity of drugs. So if the quantity is instantly flushable, how serious of a charge can it have been, and thus how much accidental damage is acceptable in the arrest?

What is involved in blocking the sewer line coming from a house? Is it even possible? (short of a back-hoe)

It probably depends on the design of the sewer system, but an ex's father worked for the city sewer system. He was asked by police on one occasion to help out with a bust where they thought evidence was going to be flushed.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by johngalt »

jcizzle wrote: post #90

1. This happened in rural Georgia, far away from Atlanta. 2. The suspect was later arrested for dealing meth. This isn't a little dime bag situation as the clearly biased writer would have you believe. 3. This isn't the suspect's first arrest, he was arrested before for distribution. Police found an AK-47 in his house. Here are things that could have been done to prevent this situation. 1. The homeowner could have no…

The police threw a grenade into an innocent child's crib. Nothing you've said ends in '...and that's why they clearly had to burn a hole two year old'.

> Don't be a criminal and don't associate with criminals and this doesn't happen to you.

Ok, but how far does this 'association' go? Where is your line where the excessive police response isn't justified. We can already see that your line is past throwing grenades at children. What's next? SWAT team mows down a preschool with gunfire because a drug dealer was picking up their kid at the time?

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by clarkmoody »

hyperliner wrote: post #218
clarkmoody wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the mentality among the police is "I'm going home tonight, no matter what." Given the opportunity to wear body armor and carry a rifle when confronting a perceived threat, many will take it.

I think that is the mentality they need. I rather have a dead criminal than a dead police officer. Unfortunately, mistakes will always happen, so this OP piece, while unfortunately, will continue to happen. This time it happened to be a baby, which makes matters a lot more terrible for all involved.

> I rather have a dead criminal than a dead police officer.

But they're serving a warrant, and we still have due process (or at least some shred of it), so these SWAT teams are going after suspects.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jmccree wrote: post #195
jcizzle wrote: post #90

1. This happened in rural Georgia, far away from Atlanta. 2. The suspect was later arrested for dealing meth. This isn't a little dime bag situation as the clearly biased writer would have you believe. 3. This isn't the suspect's first arrest, he was arrested before for distribution. Police found an AK-47 in his house. Here are things that could have been done to prevent this situation. 1. The homeowner could have no…

I'm pretty sure the poor child's situation is a direct result of a flash bang 'distractionary device' being thrown into his crib by law enforcement. The suspect was NOT in the house, and they found NO DRUGS in the house. As for having a semi-auto firearm, um every other single house in Habersham county probably has one or more semi-autos, big deal. This was a poor family in a bad situation, that the poorly trained sh…

>Is one grenaded baby worth finding even 100lbs of meth? Not to me. //

Does it matter if the meth might be causing far more pain to more people?

This https://www.google.com/search?q=mother+on+meth+kills+child gives a lot of pretty stark reading material.

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Post by ethbro »

hyperliner wrote: post #215
rayiner wrote: post #147

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Atlanta spends over $15,000 per pupil per year on schools, 50% over the OECD average, and about as much as Switzerland (although, adjusted for PPP Atlanta still spends much more than Switzerland).

Spending per pupil is not necessarily the right metric. The net spending accounts for paying for teachers who can't teach, overly priced contracts to the businesses connected to school boards, corruption, etc. It's not Switzerland, so you can't compare.

Net educational spending isn't even the right metric.

Unless we want to agree that spending $15,000 per pupil from a family with an income of $30,000 equates to the same education as $15,000 per pupil from a family with an income of $200,000.

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Post by [deleted] »

ajsharp wrote: post #228
rayiner wrote: post #160

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This is just senseless ranting. 1) It's unconstitutional, as a violation of due process, to suspend officers without pay, before they have been adjudicated as having done something wrong. 2) It's probably unconstitutional to impose forfeiture of vested interests as punishment for a crime. 3) Premediated murder requires specific intent to kill. Even if the kid had died, it would most likely be negligent homicide. 4) R…

> 1) It's unconstitutional, as a violation of due process, to suspend officers without pay, before they have been adjudicated as having done something wrong. Nope, not unconstitutional, not even close. The constitution has literally nothing to say about suspending someone's ability to work due to arrests and legal proceedings, because it's not a set of guidelines for prosecution, it's a foundation for lawmakers and t…

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Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by dTal »

tinkerrr wrote: post #35
silverbax88 wrote: post #29

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This sounds crazy to Americans, too. This isn't happening everywhere and the only accounts are those like this online.

No, this is happening in most parts of the country. See http://www.cato.org/raidmap (more "neutral" source welcome, if someone has another information source/raw data link).

Something seems wrong with the data for the past 4 years. 0 is certainly incorrect for 2012 and the previous 4 years average 17 raids/year.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by icantthinkofone »

Yeah. This happens to me all the time.

It reminds me of the time a guy told me about how he hated cops and that, just the week before, he was just walking down the street, a squad car pulled over, the cops got out and beat him up. He wasn't doing anything but walking down the street!

I am positive there is a side of this story not being told.

Re: A SWAT team blew a hole in my 2-year-old son

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Post by vasundhar »

1. Can a person belonging to minority community dominate and trade in Majority dominant country without support of the Majority in most profitable, yet risky trade ? (possibility of being minority being made a scape goat ?) 2. All being said and done, It doesn't matter what colour and state of the kid, its a crime from the SWAT, if it is actually happened. 3. Unfortunately in any Surveillance state, there is no watch dog to make sure what various wings of the state are actually doing are Right - lawfully, morally and ethically.

There is always a way for them to escape from the charges.

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Post by berberous »

true_religion wrote: post #170
rayiner wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just senseless ranting. 1) It's unconstitutional, as a violation of due process, to suspend officers without pay, before they have been adjudicated as having done something wrong. 2) It's probably unconstitutional to impose forfeiture of vested interests as punishment for a crime. 3) Premediated murder requires specific intent to kill. Even if the kid had died, it would most likely be negligent homicide. 4) R…

> It's unconstitutional as a violation of due process, to suspend officers without pay, before they have been adjudicated as having done something wrong. The government isn't actually required to provide 'due processes' unless someone is being deprived of their life or livlihood. That is to say, I don't believe employees of any stripe (government included) need to go through criminal processing before being suspended…

When the parent says "adjudicated" he does not mean one needs to go through a criminal proceeding. If there is a property interest involved[1], the government cannot deprive you of it without due process. The level of process can vary depending on a balancing test and the facts involved, but usually will require some sort of notice and pre-deprivation hearing.

[1] An at-will employee will not have a property interest, but a government employee with a contract will.

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