Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out • Hacker News Board

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by IanCal » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:30 PM UTC

adriarichards wrote: post #27

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

> The forking joke set the stage for the dongle joke.

What actually was the 'forking joke'? Because he seems to claim there wasn't one, but you think there was. He's made a claim about what he said, do you remember what it was?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by drlloyd11 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:32 PM UTC

colabug wrote: post #31

ianschenck wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't see how "large dongle" is sexist. I'm glad you take the time to re-educate those around you. It's probably the hardest thing to do, but ultimately the best way forward for everyone. Maybe I'm overly optimistic on the ability of education though. What I find really suspect is her feeling like and calling herself a hero. Her reference to herself as "Joan of Arc". Also going public immediately. I have been…

It creates a sexualized environment, here's a good article: http://geekfeminism.org/2012/10/01/when-sex-and-porn-are-on-... It's hard to understand the "hero" feeling unless you've been quiet and avoided speaking out on similar (and often bigger) events. It feels good to stand up for your fellow females and community, even if you get negative public attention for it. I think more things big and small should be addres…

This is one of the most misogynistic posts I have seen in a long time. It declares -Woman are delicate, and the mere hint of bawdy humor will cause them to faint dead away. -Woman are weaklings, who need to be supported in their fears. Both of these are BS. These are excuses people used in the 70s to keep women out of the workforce. This whole incident will make life worse for everyone involved.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by drlloyd11 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:33 PM UTC

dodyg wrote: post #48

jorgenev wrote: post #39

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How fragile are women, really? It seems amazing to me that they don't all just shatter the day they are born (from what I read on the internet at least).

Your comment is stupid. Sexual jokes made by strangers create a hostile environment for women. Don't do it. Period. If you are among friends, go crazy and nobody gives a damn.

Also swearing, mentioning body parts, gay people, violence, and unpopular views. All very very bad..

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by TY812 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:34 PM UTC

adriarichards wrote: post #25

Here's context: The guy behind me to the far left was saying he didn't find much value from the logging session that day. I agreed with him, turned around and said so. He then went onto say that an earlier session he'd been to where the speaker was talking about images and visualization with Python was really good, even if it seemed to him the speaker wasn't really an expert on images. He said he would be interested…

Blogspam. Why don't you engage in this discussion here instead of promoting a private website which is semiblocked anywhere but a tiny part of Northern America?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by sdenheyer » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:37 PM UTC

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joke_(novel)

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by CubemonkeyNYC » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:39 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #233

savagedm wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am only a visitor from Reddit on this website and I will likely not post on here again, I felt compelled to make an account and reply to your post. You sir, win the internet award for 3-20-13 for your outstanding writing, cogent points, and social awareness. One does not often see this quality of writing and thoughts combined into a singular document on internet sites, and for making me think at the end "oh m…

> One does not often see this quality of writing and thoughts combined into a singular document on internet sites Maybe because you're a visitor from reddit.

It appears that you do not detect the irony in your own comment.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by lucian1900 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:41 PM UTC

jmartens wrote: post #231

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

If anyone feels they should not have been fired, blame their company...not Adria.

It's perfectly possible and appropriate to blame both.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by AutoCorrect » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:45 PM UTC

femaledev wrote: post #94

colabug wrote: post #91

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Death sentence? A little extreme, don't you think? Unemployment is pretty low in the tech sector. In the very worst case (no one ever hiring him again [which is unlikely]), he has the skills to create his own projects/business. I also fail to see what she had to gain by this directly. Best case, she achieves community awareness and growth (which doesn't seem to be happening judging by the threads I've read) and worst…

Her website is called "butyouragirl" and you don't see what she has to gain by shaming men developers? She calls herself an "activist" but uses the fact that she is FEMALE to get ahead, as opposed to the quality of her work. Joan of Arc would be rolling in her grave.

butyoureagirl would be more correct, I guess she lacks judgement and a knowledge of the English language...

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by drlloyd11 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:47 PM UTC

Perhaps we could segregate the sexes again. A long black curtain will separate the men and the women. That sounds fun!

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by astazangasta » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 6:48 PM UTC

savagedm wrote: post #223

bobwaycott wrote: post #206

Seriously, Adria (and all of you who are defending her actions)--you got this one wrong; it was a false positive on your sexism scale. As a philosophical Marxist, I count myself among those who not only inherently support gender equality, but are from the thought tradition that started the damn movement. In graduate school, my thesis focused on the Southeast US from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights Act of 1964…

While I am only a visitor from Reddit on this website and I will likely not post on here again, I felt compelled to make an account and reply to your post. You sir, win the internet award for 3-20-13 for your outstanding writing, cogent points, and social awareness. One does not often see this quality of writing and thoughts combined into a singular document on internet sites, and for making me think at the end "oh m…

As another visitor from Reddit, I apologize for this comment.

While I agree with the original commenter that this case is overblown and shouldn't be called out as sexism, it flows from error and a reaction to a real problem. To suggest that we need a "men's rights movement" to counter this sort of error seems absurd. If this is the level of "hardship" that men are facing, they have little to complain about. Men should be more concerned about helping women, who continue to face significant sexism (and harassment) in the workplace at levels far in excess of what is faced by men.