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Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by n99 »

salman89 wrote: post #208
fleitz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

Besides for executing minors/mentally handicapped, the US does all those things. Torture (waterboarding), hold prisoners without trial/charge (Guantanamo Bay), allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily (drone strikes), incarcerate people at a high rate for benefit of state sponsored corporations (drug war - privatized jails). I'm not arguing politics - I don't think HN is the place for it, but you should eval…

The US also executes people that were minors when they did their crime and mentally handicapped people.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by bcgraham »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #186
pflats wrote: post #172

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No. It's their content; they make the rules. It's the industry's job to use whatever distribution channels make them and their clients the most money. That's it. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy their content, but it doesn't give you the right to bootleg it. If a content maker doesn't like it, they don't have to use a big publishing house that restricts their sales avenues, but they also know they're proba…

(Shrug) They can make rules, or they can make money. Their call.

I don't think your viewpoint is fit for dignified public discourse. It's theft. It's not a new, modern crime, with deep implications still being processed by moral intuitions, legislatures, and courts. When something becomes easy to steal, it doesn't become less of a theft.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Turing_Machine »

fleitz wrote: post #121
powertower wrote: post #102

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If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

How is it that you think I was talking about a country other than NK? Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record? Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy. I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40…

"Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record?"

Sure. Germany and Russia to name just two. Several European countries in degree if not in sheer magnitude.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by InclinedPlane »

newishuser wrote: post #237

The Pirate Bay is not concerned with your judgment. The Pirate Bay is concerned with making socio-political statements and providing access to their site, seemingly in that order. Discomfort with the situation is exactly what they are going for. It should make you uneasy that they have to go to North Korea to keep the site online. While they are not martyrs for an easy to grasp cause, and their definition of 'free sp…

It's a joke. THAT'S the point.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by jacalata »

raverbashing wrote: post #70
chimeracoder wrote: post #59

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> but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record? As pointed out yesterday on the Bradley Manning discussion, the US is starting to get to the point where it can't credibly criticize other countries for their human rights abuses, given what goes on in this country. I don't want this to turn into a discussion of whether the US is worse than North Korea, but both have abused…

Everybody has the right to leave the US Nobody has the right to leave NK That alone says loads. The most essential freedom is the freedom to disagree and leave. North Koreans don't have that right.

Bullshit. Who would let them in? How can they even afford to get out, if anyone would let them in?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by vonmoltke »

anonymfus wrote: post #239
youngerdryas wrote: post #179

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And what country are you from? Edit: Oh I get it, if you you don't say what country you can pretend they are perfect. Brilliant.

> the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40 years, and we certainly didn't think it was a big deal to destroy our nuclear weapons arsenal, stop stockpiling nuclear weapons, or ban landmines. From all countries with nuclear weapon 40 years without death penalty match only UK.

Except the UK is nowhere near destroying their arsenal; in fact, they are trying to figure out how to replace their current missile boats. The country described by that line does not actually exist.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by warfangle »

salman89 wrote: post #208
fleitz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, definitely, we should not stand by while companies host their content in countries known to use torture to extract information, hold prisoners with out trial, hold prisoners with out charge, allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily, execute minors and the mentally retarded, incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country on earth merely in order to serve as slave labour for the state and stat…

Besides for executing minors/mentally handicapped, the US does all those things. Torture (waterboarding), hold prisoners without trial/charge (Guantanamo Bay), allow their leaders to execute citizens summarily (drone strikes), incarcerate people at a high rate for benefit of state sponsored corporations (drug war - privatized jails). I'm not arguing politics - I don't think HN is the place for it, but you should eval…

Texas has executed people with IQs as low as 61. Google for Marvin Wilson.

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by Turing_Machine »

grecy wrote: post #132
powertower wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted). In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat. And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave th…

> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA. It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

"It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly."

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

It does?

Doesn't Europe have at least one violent ethnic conflict going on at any given time? Usually several?

Re: The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea

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Post by chris_mahan »

archagon wrote: post #77
chimeracoder wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but how can they justify working with an entity that has such a horrid human rights record? As pointed out yesterday on the Bradley Manning discussion, the US is starting to get to the point where it can't credibly criticize other countries for their human rights abuses, given what goes on in this country. I don't want this to turn into a discussion of whether the US is worse than North Korea, but both have abused…

Not to the extent of keeping thousands of prisoners in Holocaust-like conditions, I think.

US prisons are no place for civilized people.
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