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Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

xeyownt wrote: post #174
protocolture wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have nuanced views on both. I am gonna go ahead and assume theres no freedom you wouldn't give away for safety if the government justified it in the right way.

It's not that simple. Rules do not necessarily reduce freedom, they can in fact even provide more freedom on the longer term, when the system finds a new balance. The difficulty of course is to find the proper rules and evaluate these effects from current system state.

>Rules do not necessarily reduce freedom, they can in fact even provide more freedom on the longer term, when the system finds a new balance.

The kind of rules being peddled by the kind of people who peddle rules in a fireworks thread are almost certainly the exact opposite of the kind that direct things at a freer equilibrium.

It's not that we can't have rules. It's that we can't have shortsighted people with bad morals writing tules.

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Post by pseudohadamard »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #133
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

40-50 years ago, fireworks were largely unregulated across the US and were a major part of the 4th of July cultural experience. Dangerous, slightly reckless, and incredibly fun. I have fond memories of this as a child. It is a big part of American culture, like turkey on Thanksgiving. Every country has rules that exist but which are culturally unenforceable. Today, fireworks are outlawed in much of the US because saf…

I don't know what it's like now but that sounds like Europe in the 1980s. I remember going there from a country that restricted anything fancier than a sparkler and being amazed at all the cool things you could get. Blowing holes in snow forts with the larger Chinabölller was particularly fun.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

14 wrote: post #171

What is sad is that a few irresponsible people are always what end up ruining something that most can manage to do without endangering others. Growing up it was a yearly thing where my family would go somewhere safe away from public and set off fireworks. Fireworks are a lot of fun. Sure not everyone's thing but many enjoy them and can manage to use basic safety and not endanger anyone. I just can't believe a firewor…

>What is sad is that a few irresponsible people are always what end up ruining something that most can manage to do without endangering other

This only happens because we (you, plural) let it. You can simply not let it be ruined despite the irresponsible people.

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Post by moralestapia »

msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

>one of them had a seizure

People might say you just made this up for internet points. But this is real, this is an actual thing that happens to dogs (and other pets) when exposed to prolong fireworks noise!

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Post by warumdarum »

tpm wrote: post #224
chopin wrote: post #189

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But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. It is hellish. I don't recognize the country any more in which I was born and raised.

I don't know when you were born but I'm pretty sure Germany was regulation capital of the world already back then and this is just your nostalgia bias speaking (also I agree with you Germany is currently way way overregulated but also outsiders have no way to really understand the degree of overregulation). But also the US pretty much care too much when you for example try to blow your head off with drugs instead of…

The regulation from Europe is worse. They literally use satellite pictures to check and fine farmers..

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Post by [deleted] »

msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

inigyou wrote: post #216
sdoering wrote: post #210

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> Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. Native born German. Calling BS on that crap. I recommend reading up on "freedom from" vs. "freedom to". Explains quite a lot of differences between the European tradition of ensuring people are "free from" an potentially oppressive state vs. the US tradition of "freedom to". In each "freedom of speech" index I know, Germany fares better than the US, or Bri…

In Germany you will get arrested if you publicly talk about Gaza and Israel

Can you cite that please? Theres more going on with a lot pf the Gaza/Israel stuff (that im not unsympathetic to) that can blur the lines somewhat

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #211
sdoering wrote: post #210

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> Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. Native born German. Calling BS on that crap. I recommend reading up on "freedom from" vs. "freedom to". Explains quite a lot of differences between the European tradition of ensuring people are "free from" an potentially oppressive state vs. the US tradition of "freedom to". In each "freedom of speech" index I know, Germany fares better than the US, or Bri…

No one actually believes their BS and I doubt you actually do either. They use so many bullshit and mental gymnastics to "score" Germany well despite their appalling "free speech" laws. I think it's very fair to say anyone appealing to either of these index's isn't even attempting to argue in good faith.

How did that work out for Alex Pretti, the protesting nurse that was murdered by the Feds recently?

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Post by newsclues »

AstroNutt wrote: post #197
jandrewrogers wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

40-50 years ago, fireworks were largely unregulated across the US and were a major part of the 4th of July cultural experience. Dangerous, slightly reckless, and incredibly fun. I have fond memories of this as a child. It is a big part of American culture, like turkey on Thanksgiving. Every country has rules that exist but which are culturally unenforceable. Today, fireworks are outlawed in much of the US because saf…

Back around 1982, fireworks were a big no in my neighborhood. My friend across the street had some bottle rockets and he decided to shoot one off in the middle of the street. We didn't have a bottle to put it in to light it, so we wedged it between two bricks. He lit it and a split second before it went off, it tilted to point directly down the street. It fired off blazing down the middle of the road. At the same tim…

So regulated kids could get them and use them without supervision eh?

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Post by moron4hire »

hvb2 wrote: post #230
chopin wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. It is hellish. I don't recognize the country any more in which I was born and raised.

> But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Assuming you haven't lived in the US I think you're severely underestimating some of the stupidity going on. So let's say your house has a thatched roof in California where it's bone dry and hot. At that point, the person lighting the fireworks will still say it's none of your business. Even if it's illegal a…

Let's say you don't live in a California. Say you live near the East coast somewhere, as 2/3rds of the country does.
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