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Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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What is sad is that a few irresponsible people are always what end up ruining something that most can manage to do without endangering others. Growing up it was a yearly thing where my family would go somewhere safe away from public and set off fireworks.

Fireworks are a lot of fun. Sure not everyone's thing but many enjoy them and can manage to use basic safety and not endanger anyone.

I just can't believe a firework going off right at an airport was not intentional. I believe someone was most likely thinking "I'm gonna lite this off right by a plane for all to see my awesome show!". Not trying to hit the jet but rather just look at me people isn't this awesome!? No it is not.

This is the type of thing that ends up getting fireworks banned or more controlled for the rest of us.

Reminds me of the idiot who flew his drone over an active forest fire while crews were actively fighting it causing the helicopters or water bombers to have to disengage the fire until the drone was gone. Then drone rules get tightened for the average guy just wanting to have fun responsibly.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by vasco »

jacinda wrote: post #169

Last night some neighbors set off some illegal fireworks a few blocks from our house. My husband was out on a walk when the paramedics arrived because one of them had burned off half his face and another his arm.

Just a few days ago HN assured me nobody ever got injured from fireworks https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48711981

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by NelsonMinar »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #133
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

40-50 years ago, fireworks were largely unregulated across the US and were a major part of the 4th of July cultural experience. Dangerous, slightly reckless, and incredibly fun. I have fond memories of this as a child. It is a big part of American culture, like turkey on Thanksgiving. Every country has rules that exist but which are culturally unenforceable. Today, fireworks are outlawed in much of the US because saf…

I realize as a Californian we may not count as "American" in this particular zeitgeist stereotype. But FWIW we have a firework ban in Nevada County that is widely respected. There are very few violations and the law is actively enforced.

The difference is we are in a no-joke dangerous fire situation and everyone recognizes it. Most people know better than to set off incendiary explosives in a forest. Anyone who shot off illegal fireworks would immediately be shamed and censured by their neighbors. I guess it's a form of commune-ism.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by xeyownt »

protocolture wrote: post #131
wonnage wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't believe in driver licenses and speed limits either

I have nuanced views on both. I am gonna go ahead and assume theres no freedom you wouldn't give away for safety if the government justified it in the right way.

It's not that simple.

Rules do not necessarily reduce freedom, they can in fact even provide more freedom on the longer term, when the system finds a new balance.

The difficulty of course is to find the proper rules and evaluate these effects from current system state.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by fumeux_fume »

dylan604 wrote: post #75
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

> Next year I'll definitely be planning an out-of-town vacation for the 4th to some location with firework restrictions Fireworks are not legal to shoot in pretty much any city. They are not legal in my city. That did not stop them from being used. In fact, they are going off around me the night after too

In rural places where wildfire risks are very high, firework bans are usually enforced and respected.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by SilverElfin »

colechristensen wrote: post #146
SilverElfin wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My city did not have these issues. Population changes and cultural changes have brought in a large enough number of anti social people that then make things bad for everyone else. It’s not about being in a city, but the fact that a small number of selfish people think they have a right to disrupt everyone else.

A bigot is born "Population changes" and "anti social" being codewords for anyone not in your small group of acceptable people who follow your rules and share your priorities. You were there first so why can't you be the boss?

Laws are laws, and they still exist. Being anti social means acting in ways that affect others in society negatively. That’s what setting off fireworks late at night is. Yes, they need to follow OUR rules because we live in a society. And they should share my priorities. If they were doing things that ONLY affect them, that’s different. But we’re talking about waking everyone else up. Spare me your virtue signaling.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by celrod »

msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

A few years ago, on July 4th one of my mom's dogs freaked out, somehow managed to escape, and got hit by a car before my mom found her. She loved that dog, regularly attending nose work competitions with it. One of your pets getting a seizure must be harrowing for both you and the dog.

I don't light fireworks.

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Post by fumeux_fume »

msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

My opinion about how people use fireworks changed when I adopted a dog from a shelter and discovered how deeply traumatizing booms are to her. From chatting with other dog owners this seems to be common. If my neighbors could see the extent fireworks affect the same friendly, silly pup their children love greeting everyday, they would probably think twice about how they use them. We can manage the night of the 4th by traveling out of town, but the 1-2 weeks of random booms that follow the holiday are really tough for us.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by 9dev »

greggoB wrote: post #69
msisk6 wrote: post #63

I recently moved to the St. Louis area for a software job at Boeing. I'm actually in a nice quiet neighborhood in St. Charles right under the flight path for planes landing at Lambert Field. The fireworks last night were insane. All around me folks were setting off commercial grade fireworks bursting hundreds of feet in the air. The house was shaking, my dogs were freaking out, one of them had a seizure. The air was…

> one of them had a seizure It's insane to me how much dogs are supposedly loved by such a large chunk of the pop, and yet people proceed to go apeshit with fireworks fully knowing how badly this affects them.

All other animals too. There are tons studies about the effects of New Year’s Eve fireworks on birds, for example, that are devastating.

Most people just don’t care about anything but themselves. It’s disgusting me to no end.

Re: Delta flight hit by firework while landing at Midway Airport on Fourth of July

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Post by strken »

mikeocool wrote: post #86
xeromal wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess because we just read of the seizure stories online but 95% of dogs are ok with it. Mine is. There's a limit to dealing with edge cases that most people have. Not saying this is how I feel or act though.

I think you’re probably right about people’s feelings on the matter. Though in my experience dogs that are ok with fireworks are the edge case.

I've had two dogs. One didn't like fireworks but would just turn his head towards the noise then walk over to the nearest human, and the other completely ignored them.

However! The first was a Labrador cross and the second was full lab. Breeds intended for use as gun dogs might not react to gunpowder and explosions as much.

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