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Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by ActorNightly »

AKSF_Ackermann wrote: post #223
ActorNightly wrote: post #221

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>I don't use other laptop because their hardwares aren't comparable to MacBook. Yes, because being non repairable, being non upgradable, having early thermal throttling due to subar cooling, and having a mediocre keyboard is SO much better than anything else that is out there. I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. Whats…

Late intel macs are in fact crimes against thermal design, but this is no longer a problem on most M-based ones (except the 14-inch M4 max, that one does throttle.). The keyboard is also no longer e-waste tier. The rest is true, but you may wish to update your talking points.

The Macs all throttle with heavy workload that raises the temps no matter what you do. The efficiency (and battery life) comes from the hardware being configured to do certain things very efficiently, like video decoding.

Compute is compute, Apple didn't circumvent physics. It just managed to take chunks of that compute that represents the most average use case, and make it more efficient, in the same way that ASIC mine bitcoins more efficiently than GPUS

As for keyboard, it still sucks. Impossible to clean without taking the thing apart, so if you get any dirt under the keys, its gonna be there for quite some time.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by ActorNightly »

spider-mario wrote: post #227
ActorNightly wrote: post #221

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>I don't use other laptop because their hardwares aren't comparable to MacBook. Yes, because being non repairable, being non upgradable, having early thermal throttling due to subar cooling, and having a mediocre keyboard is SO much better than anything else that is out there. I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. Whats…

> I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. How ironic. There is no “blatant lie” in “their hardwares aren’t comparable to MacBook” if you don’t know what aspects they are comparing, but there are in your comment.

Lets not play the dumb games please. Its obvious that the poster mean that Apple hardware is better than the rest, which is simply not true.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by ActorNightly »

mrkeen wrote: post #231
ActorNightly wrote: post #221

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>I don't use other laptop because their hardwares aren't comparable to MacBook. Yes, because being non repairable, being non upgradable, having early thermal throttling due to subar cooling, and having a mediocre keyboard is SO much better than anything else that is out there. I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. Whats…

Sure, but I eat all these downsides and more, just for the battery life. I was a (mostly) happy Asahi Fedora user for a while, but eventually went back to macos (for the battery life). I'm not sure how much better it is, but I actually trust that it will sleep and wake properly when I use its lid. The prices and ram have been fucked though, long before the latest ram crisis. I have a macbook m1 air, which I bought se…

In the very extreme case of not having access to charging for extended periods, I would understand the battery life argument, even though there are laptops you can buy with comparable battery life than are non mac, especially if you run a lightweight linux distro with i3wm that basically means your cpu sits fully idle when not in use (unlike Macs which constantly phone home to Apple)

But with fast charging and basically an outlet most everywhere you would actually use your laptop, that ship has sailed.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by spider-mario »

ActorNightly wrote: post #242
spider-mario wrote: post #227

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> I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. How ironic. There is no “blatant lie” in “their hardwares aren’t comparable to MacBook” if you don’t know what aspects they are comparing, but there are in your comment.

Lets not play the dumb games please. Its obvious that the poster mean that Apple hardware is better than the rest, which is simply not true.

It absolutely can be true depending on what you value. Let’s indeed not play dumb.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by bigyabai »

spider-mario wrote: post #240
bigyabai wrote: post #237

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The hardware isn't identical to a Mac, but that's because of copyright. You can absolutely compare various chips and laptops to a Mac and end up with a fair comparison.

Are you aware that “it’s not comparable to” / “it doesn’t compare to” doesn’t literally mean that it’s strictly impossible to attempt a comparison? It means that the comparison is not favourable.

I'm very aware of that. I own multiple Macs, and even though I like the hardware I can't bring myself to daily drive any of them.

Comparisons are very subjective, you've got to look at the big picture and not the solipsistic one if you're going to call other people blatant liars.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by jakogut »

awesomeusername wrote: post #195
hparadiz wrote: post #105

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I wish more people on HN learned how to build their own kernel and run it. A distro is just window dressing and flavor.

There is a bit more to it on ARM I'm afraid. The device trees are complex and it feels to me it takes it out of the realm of 'anyone can and should do it'

Device trees are certainly less portable across hardware, and more difficult to create than just booting a generic kernel on a machine that supports ACPI. However, the device tree is shipped as part of the kernel, and as long as the bootloader correctly loads the DTB and kernel, it's no more difficult to swap out the userspace portion/rootfs than any other Linux system, generally.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by cavoirom »

spider-mario wrote: post #227
ActorNightly wrote: post #221

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>I don't use other laptop because their hardwares aren't comparable to MacBook. Yes, because being non repairable, being non upgradable, having early thermal throttling due to subar cooling, and having a mediocre keyboard is SO much better than anything else that is out there. I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. Whats…

> I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. How ironic. There is no “blatant lie” in “their hardwares aren’t comparable to MacBook” if you don’t know what aspects they are comparing, but there are in your comment.

I will clarify, at the same price, the MacBook is good at: display, instant performance and battery life, trackpad, webcam, sound and microphones, build quality.

My workload: web development, video call, running VM.

I basically could not find any laptop comaprable in those aspect AT THE SAME PRICE.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by GeekyBear »

zbentley wrote: post #234
GeekyBear wrote: post #210

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The firmware blobs (and the system files) for MacOS live on a read only partition that is digitally signed.

Then how was the Asahi team able to load their own firmware? I was concerned about that process--whatever it is--being something apple might lock down. If it's already likely locked down to Apple's satisfaction, that's good news.

Macs allow the machine owner to install (and boot) a completely unsigned OS on a different partition without having it affect security when you do boot MacOS.

The Mac partitions are encrypted by default and the system partition is signed and read only.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by spider-mario »

bigyabai wrote: post #245
spider-mario wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware that “it’s not comparable to” / “it doesn’t compare to” doesn’t literally mean that it’s strictly impossible to attempt a comparison? It means that the comparison is not favourable.

I'm very aware of that. I own multiple Macs, and even though I like the hardware I can't bring myself to daily drive any of them. Comparisons are very subjective, you've got to look at the big picture and not the solipsistic one if you're going to call other people blatant liars.

Ah, right, we agree then. That’s the point I was making.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by mapleleaf1921 »

ActorNightly wrote: post #221
cavoirom wrote: post #216

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I use MacBook anyway, this project brings open platform to my MacBook, I'm happy with that. I guess many people have the same situation like me. I don't use other laptop because their hardwares aren't comparable to MacBook.

>I don't use other laptop because their hardwares aren't comparable to MacBook. Yes, because being non repairable, being non upgradable, having early thermal throttling due to subar cooling, and having a mediocre keyboard is SO much better than anything else that is out there. I swear, the blatant lies that come out of supposed Mac fans on HN is almost like Apple is astroturfing this forum with shill accounts. Whats…

I don't get why you're so against Macs. I would invite you to show me a comparable laptop like a Macbook pro, with similar battery life, similar build quality, similar usability and functionality where you don't have to be a sysadmin every 2 days because [insert Linux driver] isn't compatible with [insert hardware].

Like honestly look into it and compare 1 to 1. Your talking points are outdated.

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