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Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by Grombobulous »

ufmace wrote: post #184
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not about dinging Framework specifically and more about if you want *nix and top tier battery life, MacBooks remain the best option. My understanding is that the reason why Linux still struggles in this front is that nobody has put in the hardware-specific optimization work to make it happen. There’s also some friction with how the bulk of Linux dev attention is paid to servers rather than portable consumer hard…

Along those lines, IMO these "spec wars" are not that important. I get that some people want the best bang for their buck, but pretty much everything has more than enough speed and battery life for most practical uses in my opinion. I am probably not competent to improve linux battery life myself (or at least I certainly don't have the time to get into that). But I can choose to spend my money on hardware and compani…

On this note, the world where buying a Framework or really any other Windows PC meant getting roughly 1/2 the battery life of a MacBook really doesn't exist anymore like it did in 2020, so long as you do your research and buy the right system.

I think there's a lot of assumption among the group of people who have stuck with MacBooks since the M1 days that shopping the competition means compromising with a huge performance/battery life/value gap, but that reality that existed in 2020 is much different than the current situation in 2026.

If you are in the market for a MacBook Air for the kinds of things that most people use MacBook Airs for, the average user won't notice that the battery life or performance on a computer equipped with a Panther Lake or Qualcomm chip is different from a MacBook Air at all.

Are these chips exactly the same price/performance ratio of an M5? Maybe not. But, if it's close enough, it's close enough.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by tacon »

bigyabai wrote: post #145
JSR_FDED wrote: post #6

I’m in absolute awe that a handful of motivated people can crack these problems

Many of the problems aren't cracked whatsoever. For instance, Apple Silicon's PSCI power management interface is a mystery. PSCI code exists in other Linux devicetrees, but nobody knows how Apple implements theirs. So for the better half of a decade, Asahi users have relied on a hack to prevent their battery from draining constantly. We still don't have any prospective solutions, to my knowledge. This is the weal-and…

Is this something like Fable can help with?

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by amelius »

simonh wrote: post #152
jagged-chisel wrote: post #147

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I guess I'm missing something then. The Asahi blog says "Apple’s boot tooling will only work with what it considers to be a “valid” macOS installation inside an APFS container." Sounds very adversarial to "the ability to boot an arbitrary OS."

It basically just has to look like macOS in some trivial sense, it doesn't have to be macOS, there are no obstacles. The system is designed specifically to enable booting custom compiled kernels and former members of the Apple team have said booting other OSes was intentionally left open. The company just doesn't make any guarantees about that.

Where is it stated in official Apple communications that Apple laptops will always support other OSes like Linux?

There you have it.

If they don't guarantee it, then better not depend on it. Or waste your time on it.

This also holds for members of the Asahi team. Unless they don't mind that a decade or so of their working life goes down the drain in one decision from Apple management or Apple lawyers.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by Grombobulous »

nosioptar wrote: post #153
dandellion wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll never be able to agree on where that line should go. First because there's a cultural component to it. I'm from Spain so I can only talk for myself, but while he uses rude language, nothing I've ever read from him ever seemed particularly offensive. And second because any activity involving a large group of people will need some amount of toxicity if only to prevent other toxic people from derailing it, and si…

What a ridiculous comment. Here's a small sample of Torvalds being an ass. https://github.com/corollari/linusrants/blob/master/table.md Someone who doesnt see a problem with this is probably one of those toxic people who dont realize they're toxic you mentioned. Nobody wants to be treated how Torvalds treated people. Also, coming from an orchestral background, I'm well aware of situations where the leader needs to be…

I find the debates about his toxicity to be essentially pointless, especially since he's not in an employer employee relationship with the people he works with.

Nobody has to work with him, and you chose not to. You don't contribute your kernel patches because you don't like the guy. And that's fine, and I even agree with your assessment that he's been abrasive.

On the other hand, it's his project. He does get to be dictator of his own project and the philosophies behind it. This is the beauty of open source: unlike proprietary software where money and power is everything, everyone is free to fork the kernel and stop dealing with him. In the open source world there are a long list of forks that have turned out to be more popular than their original projects.

The other beautiful thing about open source in this arrangement is that the people he's being a jerk to are people he has an employer power dynamic over.

If my boss is a jerk to me, yeah, that really sucks, because if I get fired my family doesn't eat. I'm forced to interact with that person, at least for a time.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by awesomeusername »

hparadiz wrote: post #105
weikju wrote: post #15

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You can still run Arch, and Ubuntu Asahi also exists. (1) They’re working hard on upstreaming everything exactly so it’s easier for any distribution to be ported. 1- https://ubuntuasahi.org/

I wish more people on HN learned how to build their own kernel and run it. A distro is just window dressing and flavor.

There is a bit more to it on ARM I'm afraid. The device trees are complex and it feels to me it takes it out of the realm of 'anyone can and should do it'

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by izacus »

nosioptar wrote: post #182
izacus wrote: post #176

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Torvalds didn't even come close to toxicity shown by marcan on social media, so your diction is downright dishonest and spreading FUD (conveniently, marcan deleted all the generated drama from socials). Asahi founder (plus community community) was heavy with drama and loved to attack and brigade anyone that didn't immediately bow down and listen to demands of their team and social media entourage. This isn't how the…

Re-read my comment dude. I didnt say a fucking thing about Marcan. I simply said I won't contribute to the kernel due to Torvalds' behavior.

Let's read the rest of the thread please :)

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by rowanG077 »

RamRodification wrote: post #189
rowanG077 wrote: post #162

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That's simply not true. I have been daily driving asahi for 2.5 years or so now on an M2 Max macbook. In it's been one of the most reliable and smooth experiences I have had ever using linux. DP alt made is working fine for me. I'm not sure about battery, I never measured.

Do you know how M2 support compares to M1? Trying to figure out if M1 is the better choice for a used macbook to run Asahi on.

It's essentially the same. Afaik there is no feature the M1 has on asahi that is still missing on M2.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by teo_zero »

nosioptar wrote: post #153
dandellion wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll never be able to agree on where that line should go. First because there's a cultural component to it. I'm from Spain so I can only talk for myself, but while he uses rude language, nothing I've ever read from him ever seemed particularly offensive. And second because any activity involving a large group of people will need some amount of toxicity if only to prevent other toxic people from derailing it, and si…

What a ridiculous comment. Here's a small sample of Torvalds being an ass. https://github.com/corollari/linusrants/blob/master/table.md Someone who doesnt see a problem with this is probably one of those toxic people who dont realize they're toxic you mentioned. Nobody wants to be treated how Torvalds treated people. Also, coming from an orchestral background, I'm well aware of situations where the leader needs to be…

> What a ridiculous comment

I wonder if starting a comment by despising the parent is just being gruff or it leans on personal attack...

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by KolmogorovComp »

johnwalkr wrote: post #157
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #127

I wonder how much LLMs have been leveraged to help Asahi lately, there’s extremely powerful for reverse-engineering. Have they written about it?

They forbid their use. https://asahilinux.org/docs/project/policies/slop/

It's a shame (in practice, although I get the philosophical idea).

I think the lawsuit chances are very low because FAANG right now depend way too much on LLM being legal, so they would not want to shoot themselves in the foot.

Re: Asahi Linux 7.1 Progress Report

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Post by utlsao »

nosioptar wrote: post #153
dandellion wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll never be able to agree on where that line should go. First because there's a cultural component to it. I'm from Spain so I can only talk for myself, but while he uses rude language, nothing I've ever read from him ever seemed particularly offensive. And second because any activity involving a large group of people will need some amount of toxicity if only to prevent other toxic people from derailing it, and si…

What a ridiculous comment. Here's a small sample of Torvalds being an ass. https://github.com/corollari/linusrants/blob/master/table.md Someone who doesnt see a problem with this is probably one of those toxic people who dont realize they're toxic you mentioned. Nobody wants to be treated how Torvalds treated people. Also, coming from an orchestral background, I'm well aware of situations where the leader needs to be…

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