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Post by doublerabbit »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #123
doublerabbit wrote: post #91

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Got my date wrong. What about twenty years ago?

In 2006, before Android, the iPhone, or app store existed? Were you even alive 20 years ago?

Yes, I am 37. What about you? I was hosting an IRCd on my 33.2k modem at night using Hybrid-IRCd before that ratbox. I recall XFree86 before Xorg and running Linux on my 486dx running kernel 2.x

https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=icepac...

My first mobile phone was a Siemens m35i, eventually followed by a Sony Ericsson k500.

Where the Nokia 3310 phone couls receive animated icons via SMS messages that displayed on the background as well as looking at ascii smut via WAP at the age of 15.

So yes, what do you take me for? A disappointed cynical 37 year old who's watched the world burn in to a walled garden of hell that folk enjoy licking the grey walls of.

I do recall the rainbow fences where one could happily jump over if you got bored. Where anxiety wasn't a thing and folk were in touch with nature.

Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by helterskelter »

helterskelter wrote: post #72
subscribed wrote: post #50

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I feel you. From my side I try to complain / rate / review every time, even if it's a low effort action, to cost them time and in the case of the regulated companies, to slightly worsen their complaint stats. There's enough of users to start making a difference. Really, even a low effort action raising valid concerns (security theater, a lie, google's monopolistic position, anti-competitive, etc), keywords that will…

Things like this can actually be a good way to nudge a company in the right direction sometimes. Nobody uses those internal review systems, and sometimes their stats are actually important. A handful of users might make up a really big chunk of the reviews. In a similar vein, I once met a woman who told me how she would enter every single one of those stupid contests that you'd see printed on cereal boxes and ice cre…

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Re: Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users

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Post by winstonp »

aka13_404 wrote: post #31

This is sadly not even the full extent of it. What they did is, they locked their api entirely for anything that is not play protect certified. That means, all the cool stuff that was doable via community-driven projects is now dead in the water. The "app" they provide is 60% advertisement, 30% features, and I unironically preferred using a Home Assistant connection instead of of it for everything. Even for automatio…

Car apps, beside Tesla, are universally awful to use. Even Tesla's is not beyond reproach (app size is massive, for one), but at least it doesn't make me want to poke my eyes out. Apple should make a "Cars" app that's like the "Watch" app and let them standardize.

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Post by moooo99 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #201
moooo99 wrote: post #70

It is amazing how Volkswagen keeps messing up. I am currently in the market for a new car, an EV specifically. Volkswagen brands were at the top of my list for many reasons, among them the excellent driving assist implementation. I got an offer from a dealer three weeks ago and was going to order the car, then the API for the community integration got turned off. I decided to hold back and see what comes from it. Now…

What else was on your list? Haven't looked seriously but WV, kia, Polestar has been on my list.

I've test driven pretty much all VW brands (that fall within my budget) and thus far, the Cupra Born has been my favorite.

I have test driven the Kia EV4 and EV3, but I am not a huge fan. I do not enjoy the look of the EV3 and while the EV4 was a nice drive, I kept bumping my leg against the direction selector (which is below the handle for the wipers; But this is a huge nitpick since I am fairly tall, so not really an issue for 99% of drivers).

The main issue with Kia across the board is that their are so darn expensive for insurance. At my current provider, the EV4s insurance would have been 500 EUR more expensive than an roughly equally priced Cupra Born.

Not a huge SUV fan, but the Skoda Elroq and Skoda Enyaq were very nice vehicles as well

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Post by dredmorbius »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #39

Easy fix --- block VW from your car ownership.

Marketing-it-harder has some effect, but it's limited.

If a monopolist can insist on terms (e.g., Amazon mandating lowest price guarantees from sellers, or Google mandating auth / compliance / KYC exclusivity to Google Play Services privileged devices by app devs), then threats to the compelled party (sellers, app devs) will be minimally effective.

Class action lawsuits, regulation, and legislation, are required for effective relief.

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Post by childofhedgehog »

Arainach wrote: post #118
binary132 wrote: post #102

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do you really think there’s no way to prevent or penalize that behavior without preventing the user from owning and operating their own engine? also, what scale of harm do you think exists from those people? do you really believe that control of one’s own engine should be removed from all vehicle owners if a few people misuse it? do you understand that vehicle manufacturers use their proprietary systems that control…

> also, what scale of harm do you think exists from those people? Serious health complications, particularly to cyclists and pedestrians. Significant pollution surges: > According to government estimates, the practice can increase nitrogen oxide emissions as much as 310 times, non-methane hydrocarbons 1,400 times, and carbon monoxide 120 times. [ https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/rolling-coal-donal... ] > AED…

The reason diesel folks delete emissions is because the way the new diesel motors are set up actually kills the motor. Buying a new motor (or a whole truck!) is extremely expensive. Now if the automotive industry came out with an efficient diesel that also ran well for more than 100k miles, we’d see a lot less deletions.

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Post by childofhedgehog »

ddalex wrote: post #169
callc wrote: post #27

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Because laws are (mostly) a reflection of what society wants. People are growingly concerned with both the car manu and Apple/Google control over their car and related extra software goodies. Laws are really needed when businesses don’t play nicely. I don’t know the legal specifics, but I’m sure glad I don’t need to buy $1000’s of specialty tools to maintain my vehicle, and sure glad that replacement parts are readil…

> People are growingly concerned with both the car manu and Apple/Google control over their car and related extra software goodies. 10 out of random 10 drivers out there don't care about the software running in the car. > Laws are really needed when businesses don’t play nicely. I don’t know the legal specifics, but I’m sure glad I don’t need to buy $1000’s of specialty tools to maintain my vehicle, and sure glad tha…

Honda isn’t a premium car manufacturer, but also can you please show a source for “all premium car manufactures digitally id their components and will not accept 3rd party replacements.” I know plenty of mechanics and while OEM is usually the way to go there are many aftermarket parts that get installed regularly.

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Post by fodkodrasz »

afarah1 wrote: post #36

Driving a rental car in Germany almost makes me cheer for the ongoing bankruptcy of their auto industry. It really needs a full reset at this point. Sad thing is EU law mandates for a modem in the car as well as intrusive driving aids that actually make driving less safe by constantly driving your attention away from the road[1]. So there is no hope to get a minimally decent car in Europe in the near future, unless a…

Recently I rented Cupra for a week, its assistants were non intrusive, and helpful. It was a pleasant surprise. Now don't get me started on Toyota or Hyundai assitants... BTW the video you linked features a Toyota.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

bri3d wrote: post #220
neya wrote: post #122

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Yeah sure, the company behind Dieselgate and single handedly destroyed the diesel market is worried about compliance? Give me a break.

Yes? These things directly follow one another: VW are obsessed with letter-of-the-law compliance, so things like end-runs around test routines are obvious solutions. And VW didn't single-handedly destroy the diesel market; economics and physics did. Almost every other manufacturer was also fudging the tests results in some way. But more importantly, building a passenger car diesel that meets NOx targets doesn't work;…

You can have high-mileage diesel cars or low-emissions diesel cars but not both at the same time.

VW knew this but lied to customers and told them they could have both. Dieselgate was their attempt to convince everybody the lie was true.

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