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…plus iran gets $300bn in reconstruction money
Unfreezing assets was also a thing in Obama's deal
The $300B are on top of unfreezing assets.
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Much the contrary, it showed them that without a nuclear weapon they can be attacked willy-nilly by the USA/Israel, without a nuke it doesn't matter what kind of agreement or deal they reach it can always be reneged. Iran looks at North Korea and want that kind of regime stability, at least from outside threats.
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True or false: they traded a supreme leader who made a religious edict against nuclear weapons for one who did not.
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
Much the contrary, it showed them that without a nuclear weapon they can be attacked willy-nilly by the USA/Israel, without a nuke it doesn't matter what kind of agreement or deal they reach it can always be reneged. Iran looks at North Korea and want that kind of regime stability, at least from outside threats.
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I think you are in some kind of wishful thinking world.
The USA and Israel have killed dozens of leaders, creating a vacuum which is being filled by other radicals just like the ones before. The IRGC is still there, the hardliners are taking more control of the government, I can't picture the state you mention "crushed philosophically and intellectually" at all.
Whoever is left to rebuild Iran is going to be from the same fabric that was there before this pointless war, with the added experience of what happens when you don't actually pursue a nuke but use that rhetoric as a bargaining chip. The bargain didn't work, the only way ahead for those hardliners to maintain power in the future (20-50 years) is to acquire a nuclear weapon, otherwise there's nothing that guarantee them that Israel and the USA won't attack again.
You think that radical religious zealotry gets "exhausted" like that? They will hold a grudge, and never want to be in that position again.
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#244Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…
Isn't the article failing to document the $300B that the US has to give Iran? I cannot fathom how this will be acceptable to any American. The US doesn't have money to give food and healthcare benefits to its own deserving people but it has money for Iran. Also, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give 170x more.
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#245Reading through the proposal Iran put out, it sounds like Trump's surrendered? 1- Permanent and immediate cessation of war on all fronts, including Lebanon - You know Israel won't let that happen 2- America's commitment not to interfere in Iran's internal affairs and to respect the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran. - No regime change 3- Complete removal of the naval blockade within 30 days - Iran gets its…
As an American citizen, I find it completely unacceptable that the US will pay $300B to rebuild a foreign country when it doesn't have funds for food and healthcare benefits for its deserving citizens. Moreover, for the longest time, Trump criticized Obama for giving $1.7B to Iran, and now he wants to give so much more.
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From Al Jazeera: >According to remarks carried by the Tasnim news agency, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said negotiations for a final deal will be held during a 60-day period, after verifying that the US implemented its commitments under the deal, including ending hostilities, lifting the blockade, and releasing frozen assets. So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the wa…
> So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war. True but continuing the war is worse for Trump. There was no real way to win.
Not to play?
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Also, the u.s. makes Israel stop destroying Lebanon. Trump is already pressing Israel on this. Iran will come across as Lebanon's saviors.
Trump hasn’t (so far) demonstrated the ability to stop Israel from bombing and invading Lebanon, so I’m not sure what we can hope will change before Netanyahu leaves office.
Iran seems to believe that their negotiating position will get better and better as time goes on. I'm not sure if they're right, but the terms they got Trump to agree to certainly indicate that they are. From that perspective, their current position regarding Lebanon makes sense. The more Israel attacks Lebanon, the more concessions Iran is able to extract from the US in their negotiations in exchange for not resuming the war. It's clear at this point that the only realistic outcome of the war is a negotiated settlement with Iran, so all resuming the fighting would do is kick the can down the road to a point where Iran's position is even better and the US's position is even worse.
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It's a war between Israel and the US vs Iran that was literally initiated by the US after a meeting between Trump and Netanyahu. Also Israel is a rogue state that has been committing war crimes including genocide and is engaging in expansionist wars worse at this point than Russia's. It's in everyone's interest that Israel be either stopped or undergo a regime change that abandons Apartheid and creates a multicultura…
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You are theoretically right to assume this but practically this will never happen (i.e iran's nuclear ambitions) .. let me explain As Putin once quipped, "having the desire to do something is very different from having the ability to do something" .. Iran can desire as much as they like to "want" and "have" a nuclear program .. but the objective truth is that US just crushed the intellectual and philosophical source…
> and not a single one of those people in my circle is against what the US did and is doing in Iran .. Interestingly the Iranians I've talked to (Eg: a married couple both with nuclear physics degrees from Iran who bailed out long long ago) would prefer to see Iran still being monitored and kept in check - they are concerned that Trump has not defanged the HEU program, merely scattered and set it back somewhat, while…
Expats are expats for a reason. They tend to not be aligned with the domestic views of the country they left. Often the leave exactly because their politics are incompatible with local ideology.