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Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by smt88 »

comrade1234 wrote: post #67
petilon wrote: post #50

Details here: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-d... Key bullets: What Iran gets: * The U.S. agrees to release $25 billion of Iran’s frozen assets, including via direct cash transfers, cooperation among regional countries, and financial credit lines. * Washington, in coordination with its regional allies, would prepare a reconstruction and development plan for Iran, to be negotiated and agree…

Also, the u.s. makes Israel stop destroying Lebanon. Trump is already pressing Israel on this. Iran will come across as Lebanon's saviors.

Trump hasn’t (so far) demonstrated the ability to stop Israel from bombing and invading Lebanon, so I’m not sure what we can hope will change before Netanyahu leaves office.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by hnbad »

riazrizvi wrote: post #68
bhouston wrote: post #33

Is this going to end Israel’s offensive into Lebanon? It isn’t clear. It may be that Israel has permanently expanded its borders into the ethnically cleansed southern Lebanon just like it has into Syria recently. This is what Katz is saying: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/qeko153ri

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It's a war between Israel and the US vs Iran that was literally initiated by the US after a meeting between Trump and Netanyahu.

Also Israel is a rogue state that has been committing war crimes including genocide and is engaging in expansionist wars worse at this point than Russia's. It's in everyone's interest that Israel be either stopped or undergo a regime change that abandons Apartheid and creates a multicultural Western democracy.

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Post by mostafah »

> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons.

Of course they do. They have always said they don’t want nuclear weapons while pursuing them relentlessly.

> Iran’s nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum and addressed in a final agreement.

If that is still to be discussed, then what have they been discussing so far? That has always been the main issue.

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Post by bhouston »

compass_copium wrote: post #28
woodruffw wrote: post #7

Are the terms of the deal public yet? If they're essentially a return to the status quo ante bellum, that would be a pretty embarrassing conclusion for the US (and would presumably further harden any belief within Iran that the only permanent regime-preserving solution involves accelerating the process of obtaining nuclear weapons).

From Al Jazeera: >According to remarks carried by the Tasnim news agency, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said negotiations for a final deal will be held during a 60-day period, after verifying that the US implemented its commitments under the deal, including ending hostilities, lifting the blockade, and releasing frozen assets. So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the wa…

> So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war.

True but continuing the war is worse for Trump. There was no real way to win.

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Post by pkulak »

> Reopening the Strait of Hormuz within 30 days "under Iranian arrangements"

Oh my goodness. So it stays closed for the better part of a month (or more, who knows), then opens up with each ship paying Iran for passage. I very much look forward to how this will be spun as some kind of a "win" for the United States.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by netsharc »

woodruffw wrote: post #78
epolanski wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The conclusion has long been embarassing unless we live under a rock. The US president has been played like a fool by the Israelis and Iran has inflicted a humiliating defeat to the US and its allies by leveraging cheap asymmetric warfare.

I think this war's first phase was clearly in Israel's favor, insofar as Israel's strategic goal is neutralizing Iran as a peer adversary. But the latter phases have not really gone how they (= Netanyahu) want/s; the ideal end state for Israel is an enormous civilian infrastructure cost to Iran that would subtract from military budgeting, but that isn't what the deal suggests. (Intentionally targeting civilian infras…

Israel seems to have also lost out because any further war crimes they commit will get Trump angry, he's desperate to keep Iran from returning fire and further wrecking his midterms.

But heck, if I were Iran I'd be wary after November. With Russia-style election rigging and spineless congress, Trump-Hegseth might resume the war crimes...

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by kennywinker »

drnick1 wrote: post #90

We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to completely destroy the theocratic regime and we did not finish the job. This "deal" (or what transpired of it) is pathetic and will only allow the mullahs to rearm and come back stronger in the future. We will live to regret not resuming combat operations and weakening the regime until it isn't a threat to anyone.

Being attacked strengthens a nations unity, strengthens regimes, and eliminates room for dissent - did you miss 9/11? Oct 7th? Pearl harbour? The blitz?

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Post by sanid »

petilon wrote: post #35
jeffbee wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much worse than that. This gives Iran de jure control of traffic in the strait.

How so? Trump Claims Strait Will be ‘Permanently Toll Free’ Under Agreement With Iran (NYT headline).

Iranians have said they cannot charge a "toll" according to international law, but they can charge a "fee". Charging a fee for maintanance, environment or security is fine, so it will be just a different branding to the "toll". Personally I think they should charge an environmental fee with the amount of traffic going through there.

https://www.dawn.com/news/2007544/cannot-impose-tolls-on-str...

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by compass_copium »

bhouston wrote: post #95
compass_copium wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Al Jazeera: >According to remarks carried by the Tasnim news agency, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said negotiations for a final deal will be held during a 60-day period, after verifying that the US implemented its commitments under the deal, including ending hostilities, lifting the blockade, and releasing frozen assets. So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the wa…

> So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the war. True but continuing the war is worse for Trump. There was no real way to win.

Yes, the war was an obvious strategic blunder and (more importantly) an immoral and unjust invasion that should never have happened.
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