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Post by felixgallo »

noelsusman wrote: post #210
vrganj wrote: post #84

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Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Anthropic is perfectly fine with the US government using Claude to commit war crimes. The US military has done hundreds of extra-judicial killings in the waters around South America over the last year and Anthropic hasn't had anything to say about that.

Use nuance and judgement, friend. Anthropic notably pushed back on completely autonomous no-human-in-the-loop drone killings and mass surveillance of the US population, where others like OpenAI scrambled to agree. Anthropic isn't perfect but that doesn't make them equally bad.

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Post by cmiles8 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #186
cmiles8 wrote: post #79

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AWS isn’t broadly seen as credible in AI beyond commodity compute, but they are a shareholder here. Jassy missed the boat on LLMs quite badly and the only real angle he had left was to use Amazon’s cashflow to buy stakes and buy business for Trainium.

Did they miss it or are they careful to over invest, especially too early? Maybe their early bets in Anthropic were sized correctly since they’re making more money than all the other big tech investors in frontier labs.

Well keep in mind that the “investments” were broadly buying business. We give you a bunch of money, you use that money to buy our stuff.

Yes the equity has book value on the way up, but keep in mind when the bubble pops (or even just cools) Amazon will have to book markdowns from the balance sheet that will tank earnings. Thats a story that’s flying below the radar at the moment.

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Post by mindslight »

throwawaytea wrote: post #235
mindslight wrote: post #128

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While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from…

The warning shot was the main mistake. It goes against all training. Only shoot to kill.

Accounts differ. It's hard to tell if it was really a warning shot or if that's merely what the resident said after the fact to avoid being prosecuted for having defended themselves.

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Post by smallmancontrov »

iknowstuff wrote: post #240
smallmancontrov wrote: post #230

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It's astonishing how that summit sparkles the Tesla sowflakes. We gave them tens of billions of dollars in subsidies and a 100% tariff on the Chinese competition! Huge, substantive policy assistance! But Biden wanted to pal around with some union supporters and that's supposed to be some horrible slight? Please. Elon didn't drop millions on the Trump campaign and throw a double Sieg Heil at the 2025 US presidential i…

You'll notice the tariffs were helping legacy auto more than Tesla

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Post by serguzest »

I don’t buy any of this. They released something extremely resource-hungry, slow, and token-intensive. In layman’s terms, it feels more like overclocking than a real improvement over Opus.

I suspect it was not sustainable to run it for millions of users without a huge price adjustment. So, before the IPO, they may have wanted to preview something “cool” and then stage some kind of legal force majeure.

Also, considering how corrupt the current U.S. government appears to be, it is not impossible that one of Trump’s sons has a partnership with Anthropic, or that some kind of backdoor deal is going on. In that case, this could have been done in cooperation with a corrupt government

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Post by Topfi »

bobthepanda wrote: post #208
Topfi wrote: post #137

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I doubt that the capabilities of GPT-5.5-cyber aren’t known by the US government considering OpenAI is their primary LLM partner after Anthropic had concerns about using models for autonomous weaponry and mass surveillance of US citizens. If anything, they should have more experience in GPT-5.5s full feature set due to longer access and may even already have GPT-5.6 access.

Hanlon's razor. Are the people with the right access talking to the right people? Wouldn't be the first time for miscommunication in the executive branch.

Fair point, not unlikely, though my personal assumption is that, like with Nvidia export controls, there will be a sudden reversal with no tangible, actual, technically based reason the second a certain person has their ring kissed...

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Reminds me of people freaking out about the Grok Bikini thing, but GPT and Googles image model they all do the same behavior. Clearly biased against Elon Musk despite it being a problem for every single image model out there.

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Post by skeptic_ai »

yogthos wrote: post #108
gen220 wrote: post #7

Amazon is a large Anthropic shareholder (>5% of the cap table). I think it’s impossible to interpret the actions of their executives here without considering this information.

Amazon has a ton of internal politics just like any other large organization. It's entirely possible there's a faction that is trying to kneecap another faction within Amazon with this.

When you fire the bottom x % you have incentives to kneecap your “colleagues” to preserve your own job

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Post by Bender »

I have to imagine that this could be the result of Anthropic C-Levels catastrophizing to push the idea their product is so powerful that it is also very dangerous and that opened them up to the government responded in kind. In other words I have to imagine they probably did this to themselves and should probably dial down the catastrophizing.

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Post by enraged_camel »

trhway wrote: post #224
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #149

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The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do. That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson". It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this…

>The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government that is one. Another is who is going into the first IPO. Troubles for Anthropic IPO would channel all those money into OpenAI's one. Check financial interests of this admin. Hint - they aren't with Anthropic. Third - most of the export and access controlled tech of the past wasn't productivity multiplier, nor human replacement. AI is…

>> Another is who is going into the first IPO. Troubles for Anthropic IPO would channel all those money into OpenAI's one. Check financial interests of this admin. Hint - they aren't with Anthropic.

Yep. Kushner owns private shares of OpenAI.

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