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Post by samiv »

notarobot123 wrote: post #191
kakacik wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. Words are cheap these days, people do say various things to further their goals. Days where leaders stood by their words as sort of moral testament of their character are gone, probably for good. As we see many people will do or say just about anything to get more money, prestige or power.

For now but not for good. Neglecting moral character works as a shortcut for maybe a generation or two. But that path leads to destruction and decay eventually. It can't last.

Hard men create good times. Good times create soft men. Soft men create hard times.

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Post by dTal »

danparsonson wrote: post #229
3form wrote: post #220

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I agree with your point. Mine was about the word doublespeak for this, which I think it's not - it's a lie in effect, but I think it is something like what you say, for which I don't know a term of. A bunch of sentences that are said in a complete disregard for truths and untruths; instead they are supposed to get you to believe something. This also kinda fits the profile of Altman that I'm getting from what I have s…

Ah, got it. Maybe 'gaslighting' cuts more to the point?

The word I have heard is "bullshitting". Lies at least orient themselves with regard to the truth, bullshit floats free

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Post by Havoc »

goobatrooba wrote: post #187

Gemini and Copilot are already full of ads, pushing the companies ' own services. I guess the only difference is here that OpenAI has nothing else to push, so they have to use external ads.

Haven’t seen any ads in them, though on paid versions

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Post by solarkraft »

mvvl wrote: post #171

"Ads don’t influence responses" - they just arrive in the same payload, measured with four layers of attribution and politely pretend to be coincidences. Schrodinger’s monetization: completely separate, yet somehow there.

It’s interesting what optimizations this might spawn.

They may not be tweaking the responses for a specific advertisement just yet, but what if they steer the model towards mire “ad friendly” responses?

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Post by danparsonson »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #236
danparsonson wrote: post #214

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> This was either a) a plain lie b) they're actually at their last resort. That's thinking like a normal honest human :-) My point is that it was likely not a statement about reality (true or false) at all, but rather a phrase designed to elicit some response in the listener, such as the idea: 'Sam Altman isn't the kind of CEO who would put ads in his products unless he really had to'. He's not describing how things…

I mean, I get that you are trying to make a subtle point but this: > He's not describing how things are, but how he wants you to think about them. is just a fancy way to describe lies. I'm not even sure if it specifies some interesting subset of lies, I think it's just the plain definition.

I don't want to split hairs but I posit there is a difference because 'how I want you to think about things' could be a mixture of lies, truths, and half-truths.

'Lying', to me, implies some relationship with reality - I'm lying if I know there's no orange in my bag but I tell you that there is. What we're talking about is someone who might not know or care whether the orange or even the bag exists at all, and is just saying things to get some specific response out of the audience. The deception or not is irrelevant really.

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Post by ahepp »

normie3000 wrote: post #93
mh- wrote: post #84

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That's not how I read that sentence at all. Maybe I've just been speaking VC for too long. What he meant was: "I'm going to get everybody in the world access to great services. Doing so means monetizing somehow. Ads will be the last way I chose to do that, but I will if it's the only way I can figure out how to achieve that goal."

You've said the same thing. > Ads will be the last way I chose to do that The implication is that they've exhausted all other options.

What other options are there?

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Post by willis936 »

b3lvedere wrote: post #224
phist_mcgee wrote: post #203

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Fusion power is proven to be possible. AGI is not.

There is (eventually) no more profit to be made on energy when energy becomes virtually limitless. There is (still) a lot of profit to be made on half-baked semi-AGI prospects.

It's not like the machines will ever be free, just the fuel. And it's not like the price of energy will go to zero, just be cheaper. To drive down the price of energy you first need to be taking a large slice of a trillion dollar pie.

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Post by tosh »

tikotus wrote: post #188
torben-friis wrote: post #62

These are the less worrying kind of ads in our future. Seeing how google has been fighting SEO for ages, what's going to happen when companies figure out how to inject ads into the model? We haven't yet seen the problem of adversarial content in play, I think.

I've had two people reach out to me asking about one of my services. They both said ChatGPT recommended it to them. My service does kind of exist. It's a small tool I created for a client while retaining full rights to the tool. So I created (vibe coded) a site around it, making it look like an established service. Even ran google ads for it for a while. The service still doesn't show up on google with relevant searc…

It's quite possible that SEO-wise the site does not make the cut into top x Google results but still is findable and considered by ChatGPT when it does its searches.

Especially in a longer ChatGPT conversation or via deep-research or more agentic modes (e.g. "Pro").

ChatGPT spends quite some time and diligence on searching.

Great for content that is not hyper search engine optimized but still (or even more) relevant. It bubbles up.

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Post by adammarples »

rrgok wrote: post #212

Imagine people like Sam Altman having access to frontier models without any restrictions that allows them plot strategies to reach their goal in a long term timespan that you don't even realize when it even began. That's scary. They could fight for censored model for the mass, not for them.

It would be funny to find out that OpenAI's flailing strategy so far had been the result of ChatGPT suggestions.
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