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Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

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Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

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>So, the lessons for all other countries in the world is pretty clear: grow yourselves some mountains, dig yourselves a big river, and dam, baby, dam !! It is a relief that Environmentalists have decided that hydro counts as "renewable" energy! When I was in school, hydro was considered really bad for the environment, and projects like the Hoover dam and Yangzie River dam were "not helping"

They certainly can be disastrous in ecological terms, and will disrupt all biotopes along the concerned water flows. But it's extremely renewable none the less.

Its local environmental damage versus global environmental gains

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#242

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> They take too long to build and cost too much. The global average to build one is ~7 years. People have been saying they take too long to build as an excuse for not building them for what, two decades or more? It seems to be taking longer to not build them than to build them. > By the time a new plant is ready, alternate sources (likely solar + battery and long-distance HVDC) will have eaten its lunch. Neither of t…

> It doesn't let you generate power with solar in July and then use it in January. That’s not necessary. Solar panels are so cheap that you can massively overprovision for winter and still come out ahead of nuclear.

> Solar panels are so cheap that you can massively overprovision for winter and still come out ahead of nuclear.

Only you don't. In latitudes that get winter, solar output is only about a quarter as much in the winter as in the summer. You often hear things like "twice as much in the warmer half of the year" to try and stuff October and March into the "colder half" and disguise how screwed you are in December and January. Worse, if you electrify heating then it's not just that solar supplies less in the winter, you also have more demand in the winter.

By this point you're not just overbuilding by a bit, you'd need five times as much or more in January as in July. "Five times as much" is already over what it costs to use nuclear. Then it gets worse, because you now have a price of zero during the summer and even the spring and fall because of the massive oversupply and lower demand, so you now have to recover the entire cost of the overbuild during the three months when you're generating the least amount of power.

Then it gets worse yet, because heating demand is higher at night and we haven't yet added the cost of storage.

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

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They are blessed with all three of hydro, geothermal, and wind.

Do we have many countries around where wind is not a thing?

And sun isn't uncommon. I was chatting with a person in Auckland, NZ. He said it was a cloudly day and he was producing much more solar power than he needed. His take: the panels are the cheapest part of the system so they just over-provisioned. We can all do that - it aint hard

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

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> They take too long to build and cost too much. The global average to build one is ~7 years. People have been saying they take too long to build as an excuse for not building them for what, two decades or more? It seems to be taking longer to not build them than to build them. > By the time a new plant is ready, alternate sources (likely solar + battery and long-distance HVDC) will have eaten its lunch. Neither of t…

> It doesn't let you generate power with solar in July and then use it in January. That’s not necessary. Solar panels are so cheap that you can massively overprovision for winter and still come out ahead of nuclear.

1. Overprovision as much as you want, solar still won't work at night.

2. Do you realize the consequences of casually overprovisioning solar capacity when it uses orders of magnitude more land than nuclear per kWh produced ? Source : https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-per-energy-source

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#245

The article cites research publication by Stanford University professor of civil and environmental engineering Mark Z. Jacobson, very famous 100% wind, water, and sunlight (WWS) advocate. His past research was already cited by Leonardo DiCaprio on Sept. 23 2014, during opening of the UN Climate Summit. “The good news is that renewable energy is not only achievable but good economic policy,” DiCaprio told the more tha…

Whew, very glad that a leading scientific voice like DiCaprio is speaking of this to world leaders. Solid foundations.

> Whew, very glad that a leading scientific voice like DiCaprio is speaking of this to world leaders.

General public does not know the scientists by name. When they say something, few people listen. When a famous person says the same thing, many more people listen. That is the world we live in.

I'll take DiCaprio or any famous person promoting a good cause any day.

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#246

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Although "Getting rid of cheaper electricity generation would make the electricity cheaper" is genuinely an actual right wing talking point in the UK it doesn't make any sense. The reason it's a talking point is that they're funded by billionaires who'd reap the rewards from new fossil fuel licensing. They know they can't deliver, but what they learned from Brexit is that their supporters aren't too smart and simple…

> Although "Getting rid of cheaper electricity generation would make the electricity cheaper" is genuinely an actual right wing talking point in the UK it doesn't make any sense Can you cite this please?

Specifically both the Tories and Reform pledge to eliminate the "Green levy" funding for renewables. But that funding doesn't just vanish in a puff of smoke after voters pay it, it's paying for us to have renewable energy generation.

The very stupid part is that we spent a lot of money already and they can't reverse time's arrow, they can't unspend that money, they can only choose (and at least publicly are choosing) not to reap the reward.

Edited: Ah, maybe you want a citation for the specific phrasing, in which case that's fair, I cannot cite a UK politician, on the right or anywhere else, who has said those exact words.

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#247

The article cites research publication by Stanford University professor of civil and environmental engineering Mark Z. Jacobson, very famous 100% wind, water, and sunlight (WWS) advocate. His past research was already cited by Leonardo DiCaprio on Sept. 23 2014, during opening of the UN Climate Summit. “The good news is that renewable energy is not only achievable but good economic policy,” DiCaprio told the more tha…

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Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#248

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The economics of new nuclear plants don't make sense. They take too long to build and cost too much. By the time a new plant is ready, alternate sources (likely solar + battery and long-distance HVDC) will have eaten its lunch.

How much of this is unnecessary regulatory burden, though? There probably is some margin of improvement over what the anti-nuclear lobbyists have imposed.

MIT actually measured this, and the conclusion might surprise you:

> Some of the driving factors are definitely regulatory. After the Three Mile Island accident, for example, regulators “required increased documentation of safety-compliant construction practices, prompting companies to develop quality assurance programs to manage the correct use and testing of safety-related equipment and nuclear construction material.” Putting those programs in place and ensuring that documentation both added costs to the projects.

> But those were far from the only costs. They cite a worker survey that indicated that about a quarter of the unproductive labor time came because the workers were waiting for either tools or materials to become available. In a lot of other cases, construction procedures were changed in the middle of the build, leading to confusion and delays. Finally, there was the general decrease in performance noted above. All told, problems that reduced the construction efficiency contributed nearly 70 percent to the increased costs.

> By contrast, R&D-related expenses, which included both regulatory changes and things like the identification of better materials or designs, accounted for the other third of the increases. Often, a single change met several R&D goals, so assigning the full third to regulatory changes is probably an over-estimate.

> So, while safety regulations added to the costs, they were far from the primary factor. And deciding whether they were worthwhile costs would require a detailed analysis of every regulatory change in light of accidents like Three Mile Island and Fukushima.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/11/why-are-nuclear-plan...

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#249

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What's the fatality rate per GWh of civilian nuclear power in the US vs. other forms of power generation?

Tiring with arbitrary limitations to exclude major accidents of a fleet in the hundreds. The difference between renewables and nuclear power is who gets harmed. When dealing with nuclear accidents entire populations are forced into life changing evacuations, if all goes well. For renewables the only harm that comes are for the people who has chosen to work in the industry. And the workplace hazards are the same as an…

> When dealing with nuclear accidents entire populations are forced into life changing evacuations, if all goes well.

There have been multiple nuclear accidents in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_accidents_in_t...

Which of them resulted in "entire populations [] forced into life changing evacuations"? Which ones were the implied something worse than that and what happened then?

> For renewables the only harm that comes are for the people who has chosen to work in the industry.

Solar panels are essentially semiconductors. "Silicon valley" is called that because they used to actually make such things there. You can tell from the number of superfund sites.

"The newer ones are safer" has a certain symmetry to it, right?

> And the workplace hazards are the same as any other industry working with heavy things and electric equipment.

Those things are actually the dangerous things though? There were no fatalities from Three Mile Island but a plant worker at a nuclear power plant in Arkansas was killed and several others injured when a crane collapsed and a generator fell on them. Power company line workers have a worse-than-average fatality rate from getting electrocuted.

Re: Seven countries now generate nearly all their electricity from renewables (2024)

#250

All these industrial powerhouses like Iceland and Albania!

Lol... Hey now, I am Albanian, and we have delicious food. :) And export a bunch of random things (like Oregano, Olive Oil, Lavender, Shoes, etc..), and some steel and oil. But, mostly 'light industry' stuff.
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